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E L E C T R I C D R E A M S
Volume 4 Issue #1
26 January 1997
ISSN# 1089 4284
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Bob Krumhansl
-- Send Dream Questions and Concerns to
Victoria Quinton
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http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mettw/edreams/home.html
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C O N T E N T S
++Editors' notes
++Dream Groups via Email - Chris Hicks
++Slow Wave - Jesse Reklaw
++Dream Airing Column - Victoria Quinton
++DreamTrek Column - Linda Lane Magallon
The Holiday Ornament -Dream Telepathy Game Results
++Article - ASD UPDATE - ASD links - Richard Wilkerson
++(NEW)Column: Jung and Dreams Column:
The Real Dream by Matthew Clapp
++Feature: Epic Dewfall Interview:
Man Against Eternity Tour
++Article -- A Healing Power, Update on
Castaneda's Projects - Mark Seven Smith
++Guest Column: Stop Sleeping Through Your Dreams
Part III by Charles McPhee
++Column: Life, Art Dream : Projection
by Alissa Goldring
++Article: D R E A M S : a Source of Inner Truth
by Nathan Zafran
++Poem: Grateful for Second Chances
Dream Inspired Poetry of Karen Sosnoski
++Article - The Electric Dreams Education Program -
A Proposal by Richard Wilkerson
++NEW) Column: Madame Aionia's Astrological Dreaming Series:
Dreaming Through the Houses - January- First House!
++DreamSharing In Cyberspace I - Email and Mail Lists
Richard Wilkerson
++Dream Sharing Influences - This month: >>> Freud <<<
- Article by Matthew Parry
- Freud Resources online
G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats
NEWS
- Dream Catchers - Dream Art Show
- Certificate in Dreamwork
- Personal and Practical Approaches to Your
Dreams
- Dream Incubation Retreat
- Volunteers Sought for Computer Room at ASD
Conference
- Call for Entries ASD Art Exhibition
- Dream Art Quarterly Meetings in SF Bay Area
- Novato Center for Dreams Closing
- New French Revue About Dreaming
LATE BREAKING NEWS ITEMS
- ASD Links - how to get one
- Roberta Ossana articles online
- Dreamwork from the Adler School of Professional Psychology
- Sufi Dreamwork with Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
- National Dream Group Leader Training
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Strange, Weird or Crazy Dreams
- Dream Photography Project
- Online Dream Interpretation Interns Needed
- Dream Education Project
WEB SITE UPDATES
- ASD Links
- Dream Mandalas has moved
ONLINE EVENTS
- PowWow Get-togethers
- IRC Get-togethers
DREAM CALENDAR
- February - March 1997
D R E A M S D R E A M S D R E A M S D R E A M S
D R E A M S SECTION EDITORIAL BY BOB K. (For ED V4N1)
Challenges:
FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
Subject: A Flying Fish and A Book---Thanks
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
=Commentary by Narcissus on "The Magical Little Man" by Mark
(961228)=
=Commentary on "The Magical Little Man" by MarkM (961228)=
NEW DREAMS
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS
[Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it
happens, if you can]
* Dream: Belated Precognitive Dream? by Nutcracker (961230)*
REPETITIVE DREAMS
[Significant by nature]
* Dream: Bug Dreams by TrishC (961231)*
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION
[Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others]
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LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]
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ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]
* Dream: BUG DREAMS by TrishC (961231)*
= Commentary on Bug Dreams by Alex (970101)=
* Dream: Untitled II by Nutcracker (961230)*
* Dream: Mystical Happenings by Nutcracker (961206)*
AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]
* Dream: SHOT AT THE DOOR by Nancy (970110)*
= Commentary by BobK on SHOT AT THE DOOR (970126) =
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
See Jeff Bridges in: Love of A Life under ROMANCE.
See Holly Hunter (The Piano), Jerry O'Connell (Sliders), and some
girl that looks like Rosie O'Donnell in MENaces To Society under
the category ESCAPE.
See Leonard Nimoy and Gloria Marsh in My 3 Husbands under the
category RELATIONSHIPS.
See Jimmy Carter & Roslyn in Hello Mr & Mrs President under the
category POLITICAL SCENE.
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication]
[How come we didn t have this category sooner, seeing that we
are a computer assembled and computer distributed publication? Go
figure!]
See the dream UNTITLED under ANIMALS for a downloading theory.
From the Ed-Staff - C & V on Computer Dreams:
DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
* Dream: "EGYPTIAN ASSUMPTION" by Andrew (961230)
=Commentary on EGYPTIAN ASSUMPTION by Mark (970101)=
* Dream: THE FACES OF THE CHOIR BOYS by Magyar (9701xx)*
=Commentary on : if 'the faces of choir boys' by magar were my
dream, by jay (further thoughts) (9612xx)=
* Dream: "The Arid Circle" by GWCOO (970101)
=Commentary by Jay V on The Arid Circle by GWCOO=
=Commentary by Narcissus on "The Arid Circle" by GWCOO=
=Commentary by John Hebert on The Arid Circle by GWCOO=
DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure]
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...]
* Dream: The Shoes by Nutcracker (961215)*
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
* Dream: MENaces To Society by Nutcracker (961230)*
FEAR [What scares us]
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
*Dream: Flying...More and more Difficult by AL (970124)
GIFTS [Offerings from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS
* Dream: Pez by Nutcracker (961208)*
* Dream: Pez II by Nutcracker (961208)*
* Dream: Pez III by Nutcracker (961219)*
* Dream: Pez IV by Nutcracker (961219)*
* Dream: Pez V by Nutcracker (961222)*
* Dream: Pez VI by Nutcracker (961227)*
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
Is the Airport terminal a hospital? Check out the dream: Shoes,
in the category ELEVATORS.
* Dream: The Bear and the Bags by LM in PR (970111)*
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
* Dream: BIG HUGE HOUSE LEVELS by VickyT (961231)*
* Dream: "Crying Woman Dream" by Eugene (970120)*
= Commentary on The Crying Woman: MY UNDERSTANDING by Eugene=
* Dream: Untitled 1/4 by Nutcracker (961203)*
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]
* Dream: Three Part Dream by J-ones from NORWAY (961228)*
= Commentary on: Three Part Dream from Norway by BobC (961228)=
* Dream: Out To Sea by Nutcracker (961228)*
* Dream: A Cheap Thrill by Nutcracker (9612220)*
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
* Dream: 'Crazy' by MadGrl (970123) *
= Commentary by Emarks on: Crazy (970123) =
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the
dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
* Dream: Pre-U2 by Nutcracker (961210)*
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices]
* Dream: THE DEAL by MarkM (961228) *
= Commentary by MarkM=
= Commentary on ANOTHER DEAL by rcwilk (961228)
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]
* Dream: Hello Mr & Mrs President by Nutcracker (961210)*
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves]
See a Dad related dream under ELEVATORS.
* Dream : My Dream question & Concern by Anonymous (970119)*
= Commentary by Narcissus on "Dream Question & Concern" by Anon=
* Dream: Don t Mess With Me by Nutcracker (961221)*
* Dream: My 3 Husbands by Nutcracker (961211)*
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
* Dream: A Changing Pair of Feet by LT (9701XX)*
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
[Ice Cream and Love ... does it get any better??? ;)]
* Dream: Love of My Life by Nutcracker (961203)*
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learnings trials]
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or
imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]
* Dream: A FLYING FISH AND A BOOK by AmaznBeast (961225)*
= Commentary on: A Flying Fish and A Book by BobK (961226)=
= Reply from AmaznBeast on A Flying Fish and A Book (961227)=
= Reply to Amazn =
* Dream: Woman/Child by Nutcracker (961222)*
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]
* Dream: SOMEONE IS STEALING MY CAR by Steve (970124)
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
See A FLYING FISH AND A BOOK for a trapped in the workplace dream
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
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Editor's Notes
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As I have a rather long proposal this month for themes for
Electric Dreams over the course of the year, I'll keep the
editor's notes brief. This will be hard to do as there are so
many offerings this month. If you would like to align your
articles, send in dreams related to the upcoming themes, or just
peek into the future, read my proposal on Electric Dreams and
Education.
Featured this month is the lucid dream gallery of Epic Dewfall.
Epic looks for art work on the wall of lucid dreams and then
creates images in paints and poetry of his discoveries. Read the
interview, visit his online gallery!
And while we are on the topic of art, did you know that you can
download a unique cover for Electric Dreams each month? This
month we have guest artist, Rob Childress whom you all know as a
creative force on the Oneiro-Network and lucid dream explorer.
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mettw/edreams/home.html
Have you been wondering what's been going on with
alt.dreams.castaneda and their meetings? Mark Seven Smith will
update you in his moving article of how Castaneda's work has
touched his illness. Speaking of updates, have you ever wondered
what the Eckankar Dream program was about? Nathan Zafran give us
a peek into the Master's Mind in DREAMS:a Source of Inner Truth.
We have a few new regular columns starting this month. In keeping
with the educational program, there is info this month on dream
sharing and email & mail list. Chris Hicks gives us an update and
instructions for the ED DreamWheels, and I am offering
information on a www site with a column about creating
dreamsharing groups via mail lists. For more, See the column
Dream Sharing in Cyberspace.
The educational themes continue in "Influences on Dream Sharing",
and information about the old dream geezer Freud, to begin a year
long dream sharing education focus. Also, we are fortunate to
have a new regular column on Jung and Dreams, from Matthew
Clapp. He will be guiding us down the many labyrinths of Jungian
thought this year and deepening our dreamwork. Madame Aionia
joins us this year with a look at Dreams through the Houses, a
way to mix the metaphors in dreams and astrology. Our Guest
Columnist, Charles McPhee, continues his explorations of lucid
dreaming as researched in his book
_Stop Sleeping Through Your Dreams_ and provides some profound
questions about the nature of consciousness.
Our Regular columnist have wonderful ideas and projects worth
reading as well. Linda Magallon has the results of the Telepathy
experiment and reveals to us how close we came with our dream
hits. Alissa Goldring's Life, Art & Dream column explores the
world of Projection and offers a corresponding web site with
beautiful graphics from her dreams.
So that you can get the latest News on Dreams and Dreaming at a
web site right away, Peggy Coats is now mirroring the Global
Dreaming News at a beautiful new site
www.dreamtree.com/news
We will also continue to print the news here and on the Electric
Dreams site, but you can now check the dreamtree site for the
latest updates and changes between Electric Dreams Printings.
www.dreamtree.com/news
There are wonderful programs and workshops and cyber-events
coming up, so find your interests in the Global Dreaming News and
then print up the Events Calendar and put that right by your
computer! By the way, the GD news looks really good these days
because Peggy puts so much into getting it ready for you. And she
does this for you for free! You can help her out by looking over
the resources in your regional area and sending them to her. What
are your Community Colleges offering on dreams, your
Universities, your local churches? Who coordinates seminars and
lectures in you area, what kinds of materials are carried by your
library? See some really cool web site on dreams? - check out
the reference page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources
and if we don't have anything on this site, send her the URL and
maybe a short review of the site. pcoats@dreamtree.com
Please note that our Dream Section Editor, Bob Krumhansl, now has
a NEW email address, and all dream submissions should go directly
to him at
If you are on the ed-core@igc.apc.org mail list, you can still
just send the dreams into the mail list. Send comments on the
dreams to Bob, or send them into the ed-core mail list if you
want comments on your interpretations.
Bob has taken on a new project in the last few months to make
the dream section even more interesting by grouping the dreams
into various topic areas. To find out just what Bob does to get
these wonderful dreams ready for you, be sure to read his Dream
Section Editorial.
My apologies to Victoria Quinton and all who have contributed
to the Dream Airing Column. I crashed my AOL email file for Dec-
Jan and just haven't been able to pull all the material together
again. If you expected to have something printed in this issue
of Electric Dreams and it wasn't, it is probably my fault. Please
re-send the material with a request for printing. Thanks also to
Victoria for all the translations this month!
-Richard Wilkerson
rcwilk@aol.com
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Slow Wave
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Slow Wave is a collective dream diary authored by unconscious
minds from around the world, and illustrated by Jesse Reklaw. A
new strip is uploaded every week on the first minute of Saturday,
EST. That's 9 PM Friday in California, 6 AM Saturday in France,
and 3 PM Saturday in Sydney, Australia.
Be sure to see the New Slow Wave Comics for January
http://www.nonDairy.com/slow/wave.cgi?jan97
Also, stop by and read about the new contest to give a theme to
early issues of the related zine, Concave Up.
http://www.nonDairy.com/concave/contest.cgi
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Dream Airing Column - Victoria Quinton
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If you send material in for publication, but can't find it, its
because Richard lost all the e-mail! Please re-send and the
Dream Airing Column will be back next month.
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I'm asking people on this list that have used Mind Machines
(light and sound machines) that send you into altered states of
consciousness... and what degree of brainwaves is associated with
dreaming and which one is associated with LUCID dreaming...
thanks Kevin ipkiss@i-55.com
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Did you know that there is a group of people in West Africa,
Liberia, to be more precise, the VAI people, who are the only
Africans to have their own written language? It was "given" to
one of the elders in a dream.
I was the field director for this research project 20 yrs ago.
The VAI language from a dream has been written up under the
official study name of "The Cognitive Consequences of Literacy
among the Vai People of Liberia" - the co-directors were Dr.
Michael Cole and the late Dr. Sylvia Scribner. I recently
learned that Mike is at the Univ of CA @ San Diego The book they
published had a different title, and I'm sorry that I didn't get
one at the time!
elizabeth
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Hi Cyndi - I have fragments of an interview which I', printing
below, but much of it is out of context - sorry! -Richard
Mermaid: Firstly, would you be able to provide a brief
description of "Sea of Dreams"
Cyndi:Actually, the name of my column is called "Sea of Dreams,"
and the name of the webzine is called GTO World Wide, located
at:
http://www.well.com/ user/ buttrfly/
Cyndi:This is the first week for my column. :)
Hence your first interview as a columnist!
Cyndi: The editor, Rod Amis, contacted me after seeing my
webpage and offered me first a feature on his zine, then a
column of my own.
Mermaid: Terrific.
Cyndi: The format for Sea of Dreams is pretty simple; a reader
submits a dream for interpretation, and I give it my best
shot. My goal is to help others learn how to tap their inner
guidance via their dreams. My first GTO Reader interpretation
is now up at the above URL for GTO. I gave a brief intro this
week, and a small auto-bio of me pertaining to how I got
interested in dreams is located at the Staff Roster section of
GTO.
Cyndi: My main webpage is called "Cyndi's Dream Interpretation
Guide, located at http://members.tripod.com/~ZenCyn/
Cyndi: I was amazed that I hadn't found Electric Dreams before
now. What a great site!
If there is any other info you would like, or if you would
prefer the info first-hand, just let me know & I will be happy
to oblige.
Cyndi: I like your nick, Mermaid. Reminds me of swimming with
the dolphins, something I've always wanted to do one day.
It's mainly because I'm a Pisces woman, but I like the idea of
dolphins too.
Victoria 8*)
mermaid@alphalink.com.au
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~mermaid/
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DreamUp
-SOURCE OF CURRENT SYMBOLS AND INTERPRETATION:
Cooper, D. Jason, The Power of Dreaming
United States of America: Llewellyn Publications, 1995.
Fontana, David, The Secret Language of Dreams London,
U.K.: Pavilion Books, 1994.
Jung, Carl G, Relationships Between the Self and the Unconscious
Spain: Ediciones Paidos, 1993.
Jung, Carl G., Man and his Symbols
Spain: Ediciones Paidos 1995.
Parker, Julia and Derek, The Secret World of Your Dreams
New York,U.S.A: The Berkley Publishing Group, 1990.
Sheppard Linda, Wake Up to Your Dreams
Tanous, Alex & Gray, Timothy, Dreams, Symbols And Psychic Power
United States of America: Bantam Doubleday Publishing Group,
Inc. 1990.
Van de Castle, Robert L., Our Dreaming Mind
United States of America: Ballantine Books, 1994.
-No, the developers do not have a direct Jungian background but
the
software was developed after 11 months of reaserch and with the
help of
profesional psycologists.
-PRICING: Yes the price is correct. At the moment the software
will only
be available via download purchase. Arrangements for billing are
in
their final stage. The posibility of packaging the product as an
alternate way of distributing is being considered, so will the
costs of
postage.
All information you sent me about DreamUp and the page is
correct.
DreamUp is a dream analysis assistant and dream journal software
developed for PC's. It's analysis tool is based on Carl C. Jung's
theory of the collective consciousnes.
DreamSoft, Inc., 9051-C Siempre Viva Rd., Suite MX-037-070, San
Diego,
CA , 92173
e-mail support@dreamup.com
Xavier Ferragut
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DreamWheel DreamGroups Update
Chris Hicks
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INSTRUCTIONS FOR JOINING THE GROUP
Hello new and seasoned Dream Wheelers and all interested parties!
The next online, E-mail dream group is about to begin.
For those of you who are new to the Dream Wheels, I will be
explaining the process as we proceed and sending you detailed
instructions, step by step.
DREAM WHEEL IN A NUTSHELL
Dreams are submitted. A dream(s) is chosen by random process and
distributed to the entire group via our automated mail list.
Group members ask *clarification* questions of the dreamer, who
then has an opportunity to respond. Once all the questions and
answers have been sent group members comment on the dream using
the "If this were my dream..." technique. The process and
techniques used support and encourage a non-threatening
environment that often leads to insights for both the dreamer and
the commentators!
ANONYMITY
As before, the level of anonymity is something that each member
can handle themselves by signing up to the mail list via the
email address you don't mind others in the group knowing. You
can choose whatever pen name you want, or just your first name.
If you do feel the need for more anonymity, drop me a line and
I'll set up a way for this to happen. Please respect the privacy
of the dreamers and other group members by keeping dreams,
questions, comments, and email addresses confidential.
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Step 1: Signing on to mail list
Send an email to: majordomo@igc.apc.org
subject: Plz sub me (or anything-its automatic)
In the body of the email type: subscribe dream-on
You will be signed on and get a message back in minutes saying
so. Once signed on you will receive all emails sent to the group
via the
dream-on@igc.apc.org
address. This same address should be used to send messages to
the whole group.
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DREAM WHEEL INFORMATION
DREAM WHEEL INFORMATION
Thank you for your interest in the Dream Wheel dream sharing
groups. I hope the following information is helpful. If, after
reading this, you have further questions or concerns feel free to
contact me, Christopher Hicks,
at: dreamwheel@michweb.net
A Dream Wheel is an online dream sharing group. The Dream Wheels
have their roots in the work of John Herbert, the "grandfather"
of online dream work. As part of his academic endeavors John
sought, and in fact is still seeking, to find if the "If this
were my dream" dream work technique, originally developed to be
used in face-to-face dream groups, could be used in the online
environment with positive results. Richard Wilkerson, Electric
Dreams General Editor, was inspired by the ground breaking work
of John Herbert. After participating in two of John's
experimental online dream groups Richard developed his own series
of experimental groups, called Dream Circles. He used the "If
this were my dream" technique. Although the technique used in
the Dream Circles was sound, the process was problematic. The
Dream Circles involved E- mailing an ever-increasing file from
group member to group member. Each time the file was mailed it
grew larger and larger. This made for many problems. The E-mail
Dream Wheels have a simplified process that makes participating
very easy, thanks to our automated mail list. The technique,
however, has remained mostly unchanged during the evolution from
Dream Circles to Dream Wheels. This is due to the fact that the
"If this were my dream" technique is a very sound one for working
with dreams in a group environment. This technique has two key
factors: safety and discovery. The "If this were my dream"
technique respects the fact that the dreamer is exposing a very
personal and vulnerable side of themselves in sharing dreams with
the group. This technique allows for the dreamer to retain
"ownership" of the dream and a certain level of "control"
throughout the entire group process. The emphasis on discovery
comes after the group has shared their questions and the dreamer
has responded (more on this later). It is at this point in the
group that the "If this were my dream" technique asks members to
accept the dream as if it were their own. The group members
share comments about the dream. All comments begin with the
remark, "If it were my dream", so it is clear to everyone that
the comments following are those of the commentator and are not
necessarily valid for the dreamer. From this point the technique
allows for discussion of the comments made and sharing of
reactions to these comments.
HOW DO THE DREAM WHEELS WORK ?
The Dream Wheels are running in different venues.
E-mail Dream Wheels
WWW Dream Wheels
Real time Dream Wheels
Small unmoderated Dream Wheels
E- MAIL DREAM WHEELS
There are four phases to the E-mail Dream Wheels.
Ph a s e On e : In phase one dreams are submitted (all dreams
can be submitted to me, Christopher Hicks, at:
dreamwheel@michweb.net). For each dream we ask that a short
title be included. As well, we ask that the dreamer send the pen
name they want to use. Many people simply use their first names.
Although a formal request for dreams is made at this time there
is a "standing request" for dreams at all times. With the number
of new venues increasing we need dreams for groups at all times!
Any dreams can be sent at any time. Dreams are chosen for the
Dream Wheels by random process.
In addition to dream submission, Phase One is also the time for
group members to subscribe to the automated mail list. This mail
list makes communication in the group very easy! Once subscribed
to the automated mail list all messages sent to the group E-mail
address are automatically sent to everyone in the group. As a
member of an E-mail Dream Wheel all one must do is send and
receive E-mail.
Ph a s e Tw o : In Phase Two members send clarification
questions to the group address for the dreamer. These can be
questions that ask a dreamer to describe a setting, character, or
action in more detail. The purpose here is to clarify the dream
and grasp it as clearly as possible. An example of an
appropriate question: "What shade of red is the jacket you are
wearing?" The Dream Wheels do not support members in asking
questions that ask the dreamer to make an interpretation. An
example of a question *not* to ask: "What do you think it means
that you are wearing a red jacket?" Questions relating to waking
life events and circumstances that may relate to the dream can be
asked here, but are really more appropriately asked in Phase Four
of the group. This is primarily due to the fact that in Phase
Three members will be making commentaries by taking the dream as
their own. Therefore the waking life circumstances of the dreamer
are not relevant at this point. The dreamer is given the
opportunity to respond to the questions in this phase as well.
To maintain the safe environment and the dreamer's ownership of
the dream they have the choice to not respond to any of the
questions sent.
Ph a s e Th r e e : In this phase members make their
commentaries. This is done by accepting the dream as if they had
dreamt it. All commentaries are prefaced with, "If this were my
dream", or "If it were my dream". Commentaries are written in
first person present tense as an additional reminder that any
comments are projections of the commentator and may not be valid
for the dreamer. An example: "If this were my dream, I am
standing on the edge of a steep hill. I feel like this hill
might be symbolic of some fear in my life...". Another example,
"If it were my dream, I am walking with my mother. She is
smiling at me. My mom's smile may represent my inner sense of
calm and satisfaction that I have been feeling lately...".
Although this technique does lay out some clear guidelines it
also leaves enough room for people to find their own style of
commenting on the dreams. Some people go through the dream line
by line, adding in their comments along the way. This style is
excellent in that it truly honors the dream and all its detail.
However, it can be time consuming. Others chose to absorb the
dream and write their commentary without the original dream text.
Both ways work and it is up to each member to find their style
within the technique's guidelines.
Ph a s e F o u r : This phase is where the group is "opened up"
to discussion. The dreamer, if she/he chooses, shares their
reactions to the commentaries--what fit into place and what
didn't. The commentators can also share their reactions to the
various comments made. This is where, if the dreamer wishes,
questions about waking life circumstances can be asked in an
effort to help facilitate the discovery aspect of the group.
There is not any specific structure in this phase. It is here
that the group is "wrapped up". Since each new Dream Wheel uses
the same mail list it must be cleared after each group. Everyone
is unsubscribed from the list.
WORLD WIDE WEB DREAM WHEELS
The WWW Dream Wheels follow the same technique as the E-mail
Dream Wheels. In fact, the process is very similar as well. The
Phases are the same, one through four. Since the group is on a
web page in the form of posted messages the movement from one
phase to another is accomplished by instructional postings made
by the group moderator. To see the detailed instructions go to:
http://www.iag.net/~hutchib/.dream/
And click on the "Wheel" button. There you will find
instructions on how the Dream Wheel groups work on Dream Link.
Generally the Dream Wheels on Dream Link begin somewhere around
the beginning of each month.
REAL- TIME DREAM WHEELS
These groups are very new! So new, in fact, that the how's and
when's are still being worked out. The real-time Dream Wheels
are conducted via the Internet with the Pow Wow software, which
allows for real time communications between people. This
software is available free from the following Web site:
http://www.tribal.com
For more information about the Pow Wow software and the Real-time
Dream Wheel groups email me. If you want to be a part of this
excursion into the wilds of Cyberspace then drop me a line!!!
SMALL UNMODERATED DREAM WHEELS
Another new Dream Wheel group is the unmoderated groups. These
are smaller groups comprised of people who have voiced an
interest in working in smaller, more intimate groups that run
indefinitely with the same members. The techniques and methods
used to work with the dreams are decided upon by each individual
group. These groups are free to use the "If this were my dream"
technique, or to experiment with other techniques. The small
unmoderated groups demand that every member be an active
participant. To request placement in an unmoderated group email
me.
ANONYMITY
The level of anonymity is something that each member can handle
themselves. For the E-mail Dream Wheels this means that each
member can subscribe using an E-mail address they do not mind
others in the group knowing. For those that prefer their E-mail
address remain unknown additional measures can be taken (contact
me for more information on this). When sending questions and
comments participants can use whatever pen name they wish, many
simply use their first name.
For the Dream Wheels on the Dream Link Web site anonymity is
handled in a slightly different way. When posting questions or
comments participants simply fill in the desired pen name in the
appropriate field (see Dream Wheel instructions at Dream Link).
JOHN HERBERT'S RESEARCH
John Herbert is currently working on a dissertation related to
online dream work. His work was briefly mentioned in the opening
section of this document. John continues in his research today.
He is a frequent participant of the Dream Wheel groups and brings
all the wisdom and insight he has gained from years of study and
experience. As participants of a Dream Wheel group you may be
contacted by John at some point. Participation in John's
research, as he will tell you, is voluntary. You are not
obligated in any way to answer any questionnaires or surveys.
However, I will add, very subjectively, here that John's research
may prove what I already know in my heart, that people benefit
from participating in online dream groups. I have seen and felt
the reality of this! Yet, someone saying they "know" something
may mean little to the world of academia, where statistics and
quantifiable data rule over intuition and "gut" feelings. I
anxiously await the conclusion of John's research and have,
myself, consented to allow John to use my experiences in two of
his groups. I encourage anyone contacted to consider working
with John. John Herbert can be contacted at:
jherbert@sunvalley.net
DREAM S - DREAM S - DREAM S
In order for any Dream Wheel group to exist we must have dreams
from people willing to participate! As a dreamer one is asked
questions about the dream by group members. The dreamer is then
given the opportunity to respond. It is integral to the group
that the dreamer respond to the clarification questions.
All dreams (old, new, simple, complex) are welcome!!! Dreams
that feel like they have significance or meaning but that remain
a mystery are especially appropriate for the groups. The dreams
for each group are chosen randomly. Each submitted dream should
include a short title.
Send all dreams to me, Christopher Hicks, at:
dreamwheel@michweb.net
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Important Note:
The Dream Wheel groups are for the adult sharing of dreams and
the dreaming experience. They are not intended to serve as
psychological or psychiatric counseling or therapy in any way.
If you are seeking such assistance you should contact a trained
professional in your community.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for your interest in the Dream Wheels! Come join us in
our explorations of the Dreamtime!!!
Take Care,
Christopher Hicks
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The Dream Wheels are co-sponsored by the ezine Electric Dreams:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mettw/edreams/home.html
And the IIDCC Dream Gate:
http://www.dreamgate.com
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Much thanks and gratitude to:
+God, for everything
+Past dream theorists and dreamworkers, for exploring the
possibilities
+John Herbert, for his "Trail Blazing" work with online dream
groups
+Beck and Linton Hutchinson, for providing us with a permanent
home on the World Wide Web
+All the wonderful Dream Wheelers, for helping make Dream Wheels
the wonderful thing they are
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DREAM TREK By Linda Lane Magallon
The Holiday Ornament
Dream Telepathy Game Results
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Saturday, December 7th, 1996, was the date of the latest
Fly-By-Night Club dream psi game, "The Holiday Ornament." That
night I concentrated on a telepathic target and mentally "sent"
it out into dream space.
True to the Fly-By-Night Club theme, the "Holiday Ornament" is a
flying object: a tiny hang-glider. It is made of wood, cardboard,
metal and string. The colors of the hang-glider figure are
yellow-gold with red, green and black trim. The control bar is
golden-colored and the kite wing is white, red, goal, green and
blue and tends towards a triangular or heart shape. The ornament
resides in a cubical box with a pastel floral-and-rainbow scene.
The box is filled with cotton balls, a fact which probably
accounts for the many mentions of the color "white" by dreamers.
The figure is 2" tall; the kite wing is 3" tall.
Ana Marie: Dec. 4, 1996
I see Linda come along with a wrapped gift. This immediately cues
me to become lucid. I greet Linda and open the package thinking
it might be the ornament. To my surprise there are several layers
of wrapping paper. I note the colors: the first layer has pink,
peach and a light gray color to it, the second layer is silver
and the third layer is a striped gold paper. When I get to the
third layer I try to feel the item with my hands. I guess it is a
dreamtime pillow because it feels like a dreamtime pillow I just
bought in Santa Crux in waking life. In the dream I take notes on
a piece of paper and tell Linda, I am doing this to help me
remember. I tell her I will call her when I wake up (on a real
phone).
Correct: The cotton balls feel like a "dreamtime pillow."
Exzor Tribble: Dec. 7, 1996
I started out with noting a large X-Mas tree. I believe it was a
real tree. I seemed to be drawn to the top of it on several
occasions, though I do not recall specifically what was on or at
the top. I think it was white. I somewhat recall possibly an
angel.
As I watched more I seemed to notice a box on the floor which
then caught my attention. The only thing that I recall,
concerning the box, is that what was in it was something that was
possibly made of paper or cardboard. It seemed that the item(s)
within the box was made to either be cut out, or something along
that line, and put together.
Correct: Box made of paper-cardboard. I also cut out a piece of
paper towel as the backing (to block out light from the side)
when I made color Xeroxes of various parts of the ornament.
(Later I will scan and post the images onto the FBNC web site.)
Mary Pulliam: Dec. 7, 1996
...Gift box with a gold ribbon, cube shaped box. Ornament within
was just a simple, shiny glass ball with alternating red and
green stripes separated by bands of textured, golden glitter. The
texture was very pleasant and crispy to touch.
Correct: Cube shaped gift-box. Figure has red patches and green
stripes and holds onto a band of golden-colored metal.
Karen: Dec. 7, 1996
...While I'm on the plane, there is no place to sit, so I must
sit in the aisles of the grocery store until a seat opens up.
While we are awaiting take off, a horrible explosion and red fire
occurs, we look out the window and it was another plane, on the
runway near us, not us. It was a small plane, not a big jet like
ours...our plane had no damage.
Correct: A flying object, but this sort of hang glider has "no
place to sit." Red color.
...me riding an old motorcycle by a Mexican restaurant that is
run by a woman with the same name as my grandmother. As I lean my
transportation at the door of this restaurant, it is not a
motorcycle, but a very old bike made partially out of wood and
some old metal, perhaps green-colored metal.
Correct: Hang-glider leans to fly and is made of wood; control
bar made of metal. Ornament is not new. Magallon is a
Mexican-American name.
BayouAngel: Dec 7, 1996
As I laid down to sleep and repeated over and over, "I dream of
the Holiday Ornament" ... I found myself focusing in on a box and
flew straight towards it. Inside of the box was a heart shaped
RED ornament with multi-colored jewel -like trimmings.
I flew into the box and into the ornament and found myself
sitting in a room with some people that I know in this life, and
some that I don't...in this life, but possibly from another.
I saw a WHITE man-made tree with ornaments that were all just
numbers hanging from it...
Correct: Colors red and white; heart shape kite wing. The
ornament "flies."
DoctorStrange: Dec. 8, 1996
I tried hypnagogia in the early morning hours and got a very
spontaneous, clear image of a small stylized xmas tree, made out
of wood, painted gold. Two Xmas tree shaped pieces of wood
slotted together. The ornament looked handcrafted.
If I can trust my impression of size, I say it only seemed about
3-4 inches tall. You would hang it by a golden loop attached to
the top. A view from the top, or the bottom would make the
ornament look like a golden X.
Correct: Size of kite wing, wood, gold color, "loop" string.
Trekstor: Dec. 8, 1996
1. something decorated with cowrie shells; and
2. a red and gold satiny object.
Correct: #1-"Cowrie shells" may be referring to the cotton balls;
#2-red and gold colors.
VOGELEIN: Dec. 10, 1996
I was exploring an ancient temple which had lain undiscovered in
some remote area of the world. I was inside the temple, which
consisted of large cavernous rooms, constructed from huge
ponderous stone. At present I was looking down into a square pit
- about two feet on each side - which was sunk in the stone floor
of the room in which I was standing. I was somewhat confused,
because I thought that I had earlier discovered a stone statue of
a god, about two feet high, at the bottom of this shaft. However,
I now could not remember if I had taken the statue out of the pit
and put it somewhere else, or if it was still at the bottom of
the hole...
...My companions had decided not only to examine the temple, but
to renovate it. All around me were piles of debris from where the
walls and ceilings had been stripped of the stone
plasterboard-like material which had covered the interior. The
place was a mess. Apparently it had been the intention of my
companions to tear off the old material from the walls and
ceilings, and completely replace it with new material...
Finally, however, I entered a large room, a room which somehow
seemed like the center of the temple...
The statue - about two foot high - was made of white stone,
almost like sandstone. The features of the statue had been worn
away so that it was impossible to tell exactly what it was
supposed to represent, although it clearly had the general form
of a human being. However it was not the statue itself which now
most demanded my attention, but what was behind the statue.
I was transfixed as I watched what was happening on the wall. It
seemed as if the whole wall were moving, as if it were alive. And
right behind the statue, some kind of figure began to rise up, as
if out of some slot behind the mantel. As the figure rose, I saw
that it appeared to be a flat piece of bronze, about six feet
tall, in the shape of a stylized human being. However although it
was made of metal, it was clear to me that the flat figure was
alive, and that it must be the god which inhabited this temple...
Correct: I (giant figure) opened the lid (moving wall) of the
cubical cardboard box (square pit) and took the 2" hang-glider
figure (2' statue) out of the cardboard box (temple) which was
filled with white cotton balls (plasterboard debris).
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm (Fly-By-Night
Club)
http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/index.htm (DreamPsi
Archive)
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ASD Update - Linking up Civilization!
Richard Wilkerson
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Please check the Global Dreaming News for more information,
including the call for art for the next conference and the call
for volunteers in the computer room at the next ASD conference.
Links. The ASD WEB site now has links. Thanks to Jayne
Gackenback's continuing efforts for over a year, and the generous
donations of suggestions and annotated links by the Electric
Dreams community, the site now sports 4 categories of links and
has joined in helping the Net project of linking the Globe
together with a true hyper-real cross reference pathway.
There is a very lengthy Statement of Ethical Concerns preamble.
My understanding is that this is a temporary longer statement
taken from the general ethics position of ASD and will shortly be
replaced by a less wordy but to the point statement from the
ethics committee.
The Links are broken into four categories right now, Dream,
Sleep, Related and Commercial.
Dreams include a selection of web sites on dreaming, links,
dreamsharing, content analysis and more.
The Sleep section links to Sleepnet, sleep medicine and other
sleep research sites
The Related section includes such categories as Dream Inspired
Art & Jung and Dreams.
There are subcategories here including Miscellaneous things like
Herbet's paper on dreamwork, lucidity institute, clinical sleep
research, and some dream art galleries. There is also a Books and
Articles About Dreams On the Net section.
The final section is called "Commercial" Really this means
commercial "carriers and Servers and ISP's " , Including Taylor
and Herbert's work on AOL and Donna Campos's work on Compuserve.
There is also a Mail List group of dream related majordomo's and
listserv lists.
Jayne tells me that the groupings are a kind of first
experiment and later links and groups will follow soon.
-Richard .
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The Real Dream
Jung and Dreams Column by Matthew Clapp
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"The dream shows the inner truth and reality of the patient
as it really is: not as I conjecture it to be; and not as he
would like I to be, but as it is." -C.G. Jung
Greetings. My name is Matthew Clapp; I am a student at the
University of Georgia studying Cognitive Science. I am not
an analyst, but an undergraduate. Nevertheless, I have a
great passion for psychology, and Jungian (Analytical)
Psychology in particular. This is my premiere article here,
and as such I hope to give an introduction to Jung's
approach to the unconscious; in particular the way the
unconscious manifests itself through the dream. So, those
of you who are already familiar with Jungian Psychology,
please bear with this introductory article. And, to those
of you who are just now coming to Jungian material as a way
of understanding your own dreams, well then, sit back over
the next few issues and perhaps we will, together, unlock
something new, and exciting about yourself that has been
unnoticed up till now.
What sets Jungian Psychology apart from modern psychology is
dream analysis. This is a subject that Jung approached most
seriously. On one occasion an analysand (a patient, or
client) came to Jung with a particularly interesting dream.
The analysand mentioned that in her dream she went to places
in the world that she had never visited. Before she knew
it, Jung had pulled a map of the world off of his bookcase
and had strewn it out across his desk. He asked the
analysand where she had been and then they set about finding
the geographic location of her dream on a map of the world.
This is a portrait of a psychologist that took the dream
most seriously. He realized that when the dream symbol is
made concrete through the outward connection of the
unconscious to the conscious an almost mystical realization
occurs. I say mystical only because of the way modern
industrialized society has denied the dream. Just like all
the knowledge of ancient Greece was merely rediscovered
during the enlightenment, so we are now rediscovering,
through Jung and other depth psychologists, what the age-old
shaman has know for eons. This knowledge, or rediscovery,
is that the dream is very much real, and should be treated
as such.
On another occasion, Jung had a very disturbed patient who
claimed to have been on the moon. Note that she thought
this to be a conscious reality, although it was a dream in
which she traveled to the moon. Jung reported years later
to analyst Marie Louis von Franz, that his patient had
indeed been on the moon. In a well known interview with
this remarkable first generation analyst, von Franz
commented that when Jung told her that his patient had
really been on the moon, she thought that Jung was crazy.
She was very rational and thought that for Jung to say that
the girl had "really" been on the moon was not reasonable.
And indeed, normal rationality fails in these cases. As
anyone who has ever dealt with a person on the ledge of a
building waiting to jump to their death, or a psychiatrist
who deals with schizophrenic patients will tell you: here,
you must throw away rationality as we understand it.
Beware, for the minute you try to rationally explain to a
person on a building ledge that there is no rational reason
to commit suicide, you will see the reality of the
unconscious in full force: the power to end life. Von Franz
later that she realized that the personal reality is very
real, and that Jung treated the unconscious and the dream as
not just a psychic reality, but as a physical reality as
well. Jung knew all to well that the psyche does not
always act according to the way modern psychologists would
like it to act. In fact, for some, it just gets in the way.
If there is one thing I would like the reader to understand
from this article, it is that: Jung cared for the soul, and
he did it through dreams. The secret that Jungian analysts
learned from Jung was that the dream is real, and as a
reality it should be respected. Next month look for more
about Jung's approach to the unconscious, through dreams.
Until then, if you are interested, there are many, many
sites about Carl Jung on the Internet. For a good starting
point on your Jungian Web tour, stop by the C.G. Jung Index
at:
Also, if you have any question or comments about this
article I can be reached at nautis@arches.uga.edu
Until next month, remember: There are only single
individuals who risk fight for survival. The pilgrims way is
spiked with thorns everywhere... or just therefore" Letters
Vol.II (Jung 1975, p.569).
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Man against Eternity:
The lucid dream wall art of Epic Dewfall
Interviewed by Richard Wilkerson
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"I think you'll need a calendar that holds the
heavens hues and all the clocks that time forgot
and the hourglasses too and start them all at once
to time my love for you..."
From Tic Talk
Epic's art work really speaks for itself, and the wonderful
world that he creates is impleached with poetry and text
that expresses itself in a way I haven't read since Henry
Miller's _Into the Night Life_. I was immediately struck by
the art's ability to express a particular balance of tension
and revelation that I often have with dreams and especially
lucid dreams. I kept saying to myself, "I'm on a sea of..."
but could never verbalize the sea. Perhaps this is due to
the flow of a transpersonal element I experience in the
work that never stops to become calcified, but just touches
the essential and move continual onward.
"I get ideas for my paintings from lucid dreams. About once
a month when I'm dreaming, I will realize I'm dreaming, and
when I do, I then walk around in the dream looking at art on
the walls. I usually find many paintings on every wall. By
the time one of these lucid dreams ends, I usually have one
or two good paintings memorized. I always recreate them in
pastel on 12 by 18 inch paper. I've been doing this as
a hobby since 1986." Epic Dewfall
Richard C Wilkerson (RCW): Epic, you mentioned that this
work has been going on now for over a decade. Did you have
lucid dreams before this process started? Were there any
particularly significant ones that you could share?
ED: My first lucid dream was on the job. I would fall asleep
on the job and in my desperate struggles to stay awake I was
having false awakenings. This was 12 years ago and before I
ever read about lucid dreaming. Soon after I read LUCID
DREAMING by Stephen Laberge. Ph.D. Then I was able to tell
people what was happening with proper names for the
phenomenon.
RCW: Do you have favorite dream books or influences?
ED: I listened to a book on audio cassette once about Edgar
Cayce and Dreams. Everything other than that I've ever tried
to read has never held my attention. But I've always learned
a lot from books just with fragmented, random openings.
RCW: Isabelle Allende says that in dreams she would
sometimes see her grandmother writing and look over her
shoulder and read the text. But she doesn't remember it as
clearly as you recall the paintings. Do you always find the
art on *walls* in your lucid dreams?
ED: No not always. 85% or so of them are from the walls of
my dreams as art hanging in traditional fashion within rooms
of strange houses and buildings and just as often the
familiar rooms of my home. But when a painting presents
itself in other ways I am lucid enough to know not to
dismiss them. I once rummaged thought pile of loose unframed
art on a table outside a building and came across #39 SLICED
UP MOUNTAINS. #57 CANOES ON TOP OF MONOLITHS was being held
up by an easel. #93 A HORSE FLOWER WANTING TO TOUCH A WOMAN
was from a book.
RCW: Many people who practice lucid control struggle with
the ability to stay lucid. Castaneda suggests looking at
one's hands, Laberge suggests spinning around. Do you have a
special techniques or advice for increasing the time you are
lucid?
ED: Just keep moving. A remarkable good coincidence with
getting art this way is that when I have found a painting I
really like I will wake up after I look at it for about 6
seconds. I suspect this is because I have stopped moving
from painting to painting and my stillness wakes me up. But
this is really more of a terrific benefit than a problem. It
allows me to wake up with a very clear vision in my memory.
If I were to keep lucid dreaming for another four minutes,
the painting I liked so much would have disappeared from
memory or at least not be so clear. Its quite a useful
coincidence.
RCW: There is an internal consistency in your work, yet each
piece you do seems so fresh. Your poetry also has a fresh
flow. What artists & poets have inspired you over the
years?
ED: I like a painting by Dali called METAMORPHOSE DE
NARCISSE, and the first four lines of a Blake poem called
AUGURIES OF INNOCENCE. My energy goes more to finding
beginners I like more than masters.
RCW: Jung and others have said that bringing dreams into
material form, especially art forms, is very transformative
both spiritually and psychologically. Have you noticed
changes in you personal, social or spiritual life over the
span of your creative decade that could be attributed to
this process?
ED: Most definitely. My early works are very filled with
unhappiness and disparity. I don't put them on the web site
because they are like old bandages and better left for the
historians to deal with. At first I made some paintings from
traditional inspiration but they are different. When I made
them up myself without the aid of dreams they were extreme
with ether too much unhappiness or too much happiness. But
when I stick to art from lucid dream inspirations they never
hit either of those two awkward extremes but show a balance
between the two. I think this activity has acted like a
directional beacon for me to follow toward health.
RCW: Stephen King recently said that he used dreams in
writing to express things that he wouldn't want to just come
right out and say. Jung however, thought the best part of
symbolic imagery was its ability to express that which could
not be expressed any other way. Would you say your work
falls more under a preference to silence, or best possible
expression?
ED: I think its all about perspective. Within two seconds
you can have one thought. It's like a brick. You don't know
where you put it until a dream shows you the whole building.
A symbol has a silent feeling to it because you're just too
far back to see the words.
RCW: Do you have any suggestions for those who would like to
explore dream inspired art but need a little encouragement?
ED: I use Stephen LaBerge's Mild method but I add the words
"and look at art" to its incubation statement. Don't add the
words "and look for art". Because you would end up looking
for art instead of at art.
RCW: So what's on the planning table for your gallery next
year?
ED: I'll soon have to split the main page and turn the site
into a two page tour as I add new paintings and poems.
Other than that nothing will change. But I'm probably wrong.
I've learned that things must change. Things like electronic
devices couldn't work without it. I might get up the courage
to display some graphs of Usenet news love hate statistics,
I've done that prove a theory of mine that the slanted trees
and slanted row boats in my lucid dream art are graphically
showing us what the number pi looks like when you turn it
into a percentage and then show that percentage as an angle
within 90 degrees. This is not to likely though because
mostly I just want to maintain the sites quiet strength.
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You can view about one third of Epic Dewfall's collection at
http://www.synapse.net/~lucid/
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A Healing Power,
Update on Castaneda's Projects - Mark Seven Smith
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After six years of Silence, Carlos Castaneda published "The
Art of Dreaming"(HarperCollins, NY) and re-established the
Castaneda tradition of trickster shamanic travel begun with
drugs and meditations in the 1970's now with a safer 90's
process of lucid dreaming. Or is it lucid dreaming that
drives Castaneda's Dreaming? Those who claim to explore
these paths feel so strongly that the path is different that
they broke from the alt.lucid Usenet Newsgroup and formed
alt.dreams.castaneda.
In this update, Mark Seven Smith gives an account of his
personal journey and how it has influenced his 14 year old
battle with illness. Mark also includes a variety of links
and contact points for more information. -Richard
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Currently Carlos Castaneda is holding Workshops in Los
Angeles, and Mexico. There are bulletins at the Castaneda
home page, as well as information on the upcoming Workshops:
Castaneda home page:
http://www.webb.com/Castaneda
There is not as much focus on *dreaming* right now, as
there is on Tensegrity, the magical passes of the sorcerers
of ancient Mexico. Build energy and *intent* through
Tensegrity (sorcery passes) and the rest will follow of its
own accord.
At the Westwood Workshop, which I attended, much
emphasis was place on the attainment of *inner silence*, and
there for the first time, a device for the attainment of
inner silence was introduced. It is merely a drafter's
paperweight; rather heavy, so that you can feel its weight
pressing upon you; it is used by placing it on the abdomen
over the a point just below the navel (other locations such
as the solar plexus can be used, but are probably better
applied when one has some experience with this sort of
thing). But as you lay back, perhaps sitting up somewhat,
you also press certain points: these are detailed on the
Castaneda web site and I won't go into them here, except
that they have an incredible effect, that must be actually
tried to be understood.
Tensegrity Tools page:
http://ns.webb.com/Castaneda/ttools.html
The reason I bring this up, is because Carlos told us
that it is all right if we fall asleep while using this
device; and as a matter of fact it does seem to induce a
deep and restful sleep; a curious sort of sleep that seems
devoid of all dreams! But I have heard that we would either
have dreams, or would remember them, when we gather more
energy, and these would be dreams of power; they would be
*dreaming* proper (according to what Carlos wrote in "The
Art of Dreaming".)
As for me, I am battling a 14-year long illness that I
should be dead from; and yet I have survived because of
Carlos Castaneda's teachings; and this is what prompted me
to write. I am alive today because of the teachings of
Carlos Castaneda. I have short-bowel syndrome; because of a
botched surgery (appendectomy) I have been through over 17
major surgeries (I've lost count!) and I am the only patient
who has lived this long in this severe of a condition; I
have less than 1.5 ft. of small intestine, and I am supposed
to be living on a machine! I had been so convinced by all
the "specialists" that I was going to die without yet
another surgery (while they were telling my parents not to
get their hopes up, nobody lived beyond five years in this
condition, anyhow!) But I refuse...
Carlos Castaneda wrote, in his book "The Power of
Silence" that don Juan told him: "all we have is the power
of our decisions". And this is what has kept me alive! There
was a point I reached, where I said "no more machines! No
more surgeries!" I MUST live on my own, without
contrivances, without continuous medical intervention. And
through Castaneda's teachings, and especially Tensegrity, I
have found that way (much to the astonishment of all my
doctors, including the last time I was in the hospital; I
was told that I had less than two weeks to live! And that
was October of 1995, over a year ago!)
Carlos Castaneda is one of four apprentices of the
nagual, don Juan Matus. The other three apprentices are the
nagual woman Carol Tiggs, Florinda Donner-Grau, and Taisha
Abelar. They lecture at the Workshops as well, and two of
them, Taisha and Florinda, have books out, that are
especially good for women to read, or anyone for that
matter. These books are as incredible and as powerful as the
women who wrote them!
The sorcery passes of ancient Mexico are truly
*magical*. They work. It is incredible; and what's more,
they can be learned from the Tensegrity videos (that are
offered at the Castaneda home page). I didn't realize how
easy it would be, when I attended my first Tensegrity
Workshop; I figured that this would be impossible (even
though I had seen the videos already). What you get from a
Workshop is basically the chance to see Carlos Castaneda in
person; this is what first attracts people. But beyond that,
there is group or mass consensus; Carlos Castaneda had this
to say about the "Westwood Series", a series of magical
passes taught last year in July:
"It is of great importance to all the participants of
the July seminar and workshop to practice the Westwood
Series as exclusively as they can, for a period of one
month. In this manner, a much-needed kinesthetic consensus
could be obtained. Such a consensus is necessary because it
would reinforce the sorcerers' intent of freedom, without
intellectualization."
People gather together to practice Tensegrity in
groups; there are practice groups all over the world, and it
is possible to attend a group in your area, and pick up some
of the passes, and enjoy this "kinesthetic consensus", which
truly has a remarkable effect. If you order the videos from
Cleargreen (the corporation that sponsors and organizes the
Workshops Carlos Castaneda's Tensegrity), you can ask them
if there are any groups in your area. There is also an
Internet mailing list, that is for anyone who has attended
at least one Workshop, where you can find out more about
local groups. But there is one thing; Carlos Castaneda had
this to say about teaching others who had not yet attended a
Workshop:
"Yes, by all means [in response to someone asking if
they could teach someone the "Westwood Series"]. If you have
a group of people that practice Tensegrity together, you can
show them the movements and arrive in this manner at a
concrete kinesthetic consensus among yourselves, which means
a great deal in the overall attempt to reach a unifying
homogeneous purpose among all the practitioners of
Tensegrity.
"However, showing the movements to people that practice
together is not the same as setting up mini-seminars to
teach anybody. What is needed the most is consensus, but a
consensus under the auspices of sorcerers' intent. The end
result of the July seminar and workshop for those who
participated in it was a state of "energetic realization"
that cannot be duplicated. That state, which can be
described as you please, but which sorcerers abstractly call
energetic realization, is the sorcerers' intent."
Tensegrity Bulletins:
http://www.webb.com/Castaneda/cc0.html
The next Tensegrity Workshop will be in Long Beach;
California, USA. It will be a review; with special
elucidations on the passes and an emphasis on practical
applications. The Workshops are an incredible experience,
and I heartily recommend attending one if you get the
chance.
Upcoming Carlos Castaneda’s Tensegrity Workshops:
http://ns.webb.com/Castaneda/cct0.html
Tensegrity Videos:
http://ns.webb.com/Castaneda/video.html
Book List: current list of books:
http://ns.webb.com/Castaneda/books.html
--Mark Seven Smith
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THIS MONTH'S FEATURES:
NEWS
- Dream Catchers - Dream Art Show
- Certificate in Dreamwork
- Personal and Practical Approaches to Your
Dreams
- Dream Incubation Retreat
- Volunteers Sought for Computer Room at ASD
Conference
- Call for Entries ASD Art Exhibition
- Dream Art Quarterly Meetings in SF Bay Area
- Novato Center for Dreams Closing
- New French Revue About Dreaming
LATE BREAKING NEWS ITEMS
- ASD Links - how to get one
- Roberta Ossana articles online
- Dreamwork from the Adler School of Professional Psychology
- Sufi Dreamwork with Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
- National Dream Group Leader Training
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Strange, Weird or Crazy Dreams
- Dream Photography Project
- Online Dream Interpretation Interns Needed
- Dream Education Project
WEB SITE UPDATES
- ASD Links
- Dream Mandalas has moved
ONLINE EVENTS
- PowWow Get-togethers
- IRC Get-togethers
DREAM CALENDAR
- February - March 1997
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NEWS
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========Dream Catchers - Dream Art Show =======
The works of Marsha Connell, Betsy Davids, Donna
Fenstermaker, Pamela Johnson, Dorothy Rossi and Diane Rusnak
are featured in this new exhibit of paintings, prints, books
and mixed media based on dreams at the Los Medanos College
Art Gallery from 21 Jan through 13 Feb. The gallery is
located at 2700 East Leland Road in Pittsburgh, California
(northeast of Walnut Creek in the east San Francisco Bay),
and is open Tue/Wed/Thur from 12:30 - 2:30 pm and from
6:30-8:30 pm. The opening reception will be held Wednesday,
5 Feb, from 6:30-8:30 pm. For more information, call the
gallery at 510-439-2185, ext 493 or 494.
====== Certificate in Dreamwork ==============
For those interested in dreams and therapy, the California
School of Professional Psychology offers programming to
provide the helping professional with new techniques and
perspectives in the management of his/her client-base.
Alameda, California Campus, 1005 Atlantic Ave.800-298-0317
In this new certificate, the participants learn about the
use of dreamwork in psychotherapeutic practice. Why
dreamwork? Several reasons - first, few therapists receive
formal training in working with dreams; second, skills in
this area enhance assessment, diagnosis and treatment-
related skills already possessed by practicing clinicians.
In a clinical context where much work has already been
accomplished at an accelerated rate, the dream as an
assessment tool can provide a snapshot of the emotional soul
and even physical health rounding out the clinical
interview. Future courses will explore higher level topics
such as the use of dreamwork with couples, groups, and the
community-at-large; the role of trance in dreamwork; medical
dreamwork; and special topics in the area of dream and self
research.
Foundations in Dreamwork. March 15th
In diagnosis, dreams can provide supporting information. In
the area of treatment, the dreams is a powerful template
that arises from within and offers insight and guidance in a
powerful, non- judgmental way. An exploration of the various
types of approaches to dreamwork is followed by the
conversation of the class into a dream group so that they
can experience the power and depth of the dream in their own
lives.
Dreamwork Case Studies April 18th
The workshop provides hand-on experience in working with
dreams from differing perspectives. The group acts as
feedback/support structure so participants can present cases
they are working on and utilize the dream group for
consultation.
Kathleen O' Connell, PhD., Instructor
CSPP CE, 1000 S. Fremont Ave, Alhambra, CA 91803-1360 Call
1-800-298-0317
============ Personal and Practical Approaches to Your
Dreams
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A conference jointly sponsored by the Association for
Research and Enlightenment; the Association for the Study of
Dreams and the C.G. Jung Society of Tidewater will be held
in Virginia Beach, VA, April 24-27, 1997. This conference
is a chance for a meeting of professionals and lay people
who are actively engaged in dream exploration. The emphasis
will be on useful methods of working with dreams- methods
found in the spiritual psychologies of Edgar Cayce, Carl
Jung, and other pioneers of inner life exploration. Morning
and evening presentations feature several leading
practitioners and authors of innovative dream methods,
including Robert Bosnak, Carol D. Warner, Rita Dwyer, Stase
Michaels, Raye Mathis, Kevin Todeschi and David Gordon.
Registration Fees: Members of ARE, ASD or CG Jung Society:
$150.00 Non Members: $180.00. For more information, contact
the ASD, PO Box 1600, Vienna, VA 22183.
Phone: (703)-242-0062 Fax:(703)-242-8888
=========== Dream Incubation Retreat =========
Dream Incubation is an ancient technique which uses dreams
to solve problems and answer questions in our everyday
lives. As a participant, you will bring a life problem or
choice to the retreat and then immerse yourself in the
incubation process. We will use a variety of learning
techniques - group work, meditation, art-play, lecture etc.
to refine and focus on your question. Then you will "sleep
on it" and bring your dreams back to the group the next
morning. Cost for the retreat is $160, which includes
lodging and organic vegetarian meals. A $50 non-refundable
deposit is due by February 20. Land of the Medicine Buddha
is a 55 acre retreat center in the redwoods south of Santa
Cruz. Along with meeting rooms, dining facilities, and
overnight accommodations, walking trails and meditation
areas are available for guests. Christine Boyer does
dreamwork with groups and individuals in the Santa Cruz
area, and is a regular guest host on "Dreams, Another Way of
Knowing" , a weekly radio show on KAZU 90.3 in Californias
Monterey Bay. To enroll or to receive additional
information, contact Christine Boyer at
(cboyer@wpo.borland.com) or phone(408)427-9861.
================== Volunteers Sought for Computer Room at
ASD Conference
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The Host Planning Committee for the 14th annual conference
of the Association for the Study of Dreams (this year in
beautiful Asheville NC June 17-21) is looking for a few
computer savvy people to help set up and monitor a computer
room for the conference. This volunteer work could reduce
your conference fees. Please contact Earl Koteen (AKA
Narcissus) at koteen@erols.com if you're interested.
======Call for Entries ASD Art Exhibition ======
Call for Entries Dream Art Exhibition in conjunction with
the Association for the Study of Dreams Conference XIV at
Warren Wilson College in Asheville, NC. All artist are
eligible to submit up to 10 slides of dream-related work.
Deadline is March 1, 1997. If you would like an entry form
sent to you, e-mail your address to: Joanne12@aol.com.
========= Novato Center for Dreams Closing =====
The Novato Center fro Dreams ceased operation on 1 January
1997. NCD has been serving the Bay Area Dream Community for
10 years. Jill Gregory, the founder, will continue putting
her energy into the Dream Library and Archives, which shares
the same space.
========New French Revue about Dreaming =======
"Dreaming" is a new French magazine dealing with dreams and
lucid dreams from a new and interdisciplinary perspective.
It does not represent any school or interest group; it is a
forum for exchange for all those who are passionate about
dreams. The site is at
http://www.mnet.fr/freecyb/REVER/index.html
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LATE BREAKING NEWS ADDENDUM
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===== ASD Linkage information ===========
As mentioned in our Web update, ASD Site now has links -
So how do you get your links on the ASD site?
For over a year the issue of how to decide when and where to
link has been tossed back and forth without results. Thanks
to Jayne Gackenbach's continual efforts in this area and the
genereous donations of annotated suggestions by the Electric
Dreams community, ASD WEB has now joined the cyber community
of netizens and includes links to dream related sites. To
add your links to this page, they must first be reviewed by
the Electronic Committee, headed by Jayne Gackenback. You
can contact here at the ASD web site.
www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd
=========== Osanna Wisdom Online ============
Every two weeks new articles are added by Roberta Ossana,
the editor of the DreamNetwork Journal.
Here are some of the titles of the available articles:
Exploring The DreamTime Mystery, "How To Better Recall
Your Dreams",
"Recurring Dreams: What Are They Saying", "Nightmare... A
Blessing in Disguise!",
"Incubating Dreams for Guidance and Problem Solving",
"Developing Dreamsharing Relationships and/or Dream
Groups","The Many Types of Dreams & Purposes for Which
Dreams Come to Us.",- "Ethics to Employ in Dreamsharing,
Dreamworkand Dreamplay",
and "Dreams and Deja Vu"
www.hmtp.com/new/gather/dreama.html
=========== Dreamwork and Expresive Arts Therapy
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This class is taught at Adler School of Professional
Psychology in Chicgo, Illinois
by Judy Sutherland and Renee' Dobkin Dushman twice a year.
They integrate Art
Therapy and Psychodrama exploring dreams.
They have submitted a proposal for ASD in N.C.and plan to
be there in June.
This is the 3rd year they are teaching this course and they
report that it has been well
received by students studying for an M.A. or Psy.D.
Contact: Renee' Dobkin Dushman
=========== Sufi Dream Workshop ===============
Sufism, Dreamwork and the Journey Home will be presented at
the Insititue of healing Arts and Sciences at UCSF, The
Universtity of California at San Francisco Medical Center
Complex. Tuesday, January 28, 6:00-9:00 $20.00
The workshop is being conducted by Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee a
long time Naqshbandi Sufi follower. He is the author of a
number of books on Sufism, dreamwork and the spiritual path,
including _The Paradoxes of Love (1996) and Sufism: the
Transformation of the Heart (1995).
For more info call 415-663-8773
==== National Dream Group Leader Training ==========
The Haden Insititute begins its Dream Course kicked-off
weekend for a two year (four semester) certified course;
history, symbolism, methods, Jungian psychology, individual
and group work. $50 reg. plus $550 for eachof four
semesters. Call the Haden Insititute for more
information704-333-6058
or fax 704-333-6051
1819 Lyndhusrt Ave, Charlotte, NC, USA 28203-5103
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RESEARCH and REQUESTS
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Dream Education Project
Are you an educator who does workshops, group dream work, or
classroom presentations around the topic of dreams? As a
thesis project, I am collecting educational activities /
lesson plans in order to compile an interdisciplinary
resource book for educators and dream workers. If you
submit material for the resource book and it is accepted,
you will receive a copy of the entire completed work.
(Expected date of completion: August or September, 1997.)
You will receive full credit for your contribution, and
will have an opportunity to review and approve its form.
Ideal activities are ones that are interesting and
interactive, while also conveying important information.
Examples:
-Taking students on a surreal "dream walk" to teach about
differences between dreaming consciousness and waking
consciousness. (Contributed by Dr. Russell Gruber, Eastern
Illinois University.)
-Having participants stand in different areas of the room,
to represent their different opinions on the purpose and
meaning of dreams, and then comparing their positions to
those of famous theorists.
-Developing a David-Letterman-esque "Top Ten List" of the
group's most common dream themes.
If you have material (or ideas) to contribute, please
contact me via e-mail as soon as possible. Pamela Ryan,
pryan@prairienet.org or pryan@ppeci.org.
======== Strange, Weird or Crazy Dreams ========
I am currently obtaining dreams for a book I'm going to
publish, which will be a collect of strange, weird or crazy
dreams that people have had. If you'd like to submit your
dream, write it out exactly as you wish it to appear. The
dreams will not be edited in any way, and can be as short or
as long as you like. Once the book is put together, we will
also be doing some illustrations for some of them. You may
have your name included, or remain anonymous, and you may
send more than one dream. Contact Tibet, tibet@cenornet.com
========= Dream Photography Project ===========
Become a part of a new creative concept -- photographer
Robert Specter would like to photograph "real people's" own
dreams, depicting the elements that enlighten, confuse,
invigorate, frighten and/or cause them to question their
lives and perhaps combine the photographs with small
quotes, revelations and insights that people have as a
result of their dream/photographed visions. Contact Robert
Specter at specter@sirius.com
=================== Online Dream Interpretation Interns
Needed ================================
DreamLink (http://www.iag.net/~hutchib/.dream/) is accepting
interns for the jan-march time frame. If you are a students
interested in learning and doing dream translations, contact
Linton Hutchinson at: hutchib@iag.net or (407) 644-0856
========== LUCID DREAM RESEARCH REQUESTS =======
REQUEST #1
Hi, I am currently studying in my final year of Psychology
at Edinburgh University and I am investigating the
phenomenon of Lucid dreaming for my thesis. I am examining
the aspects of control that can occur during this experience
and I need subjects to fill out my questionnaire. Lucid
dreams are dreams in which the dreamer becomes aware that he
is dreaming and has subsequent control over the dream.If you
have had such an experience I would be very grateful if you
could fill out the completed form. If you know anybody else
that has experienced lucid dreams ask to email me for a
copy of the questionnaire. If you are interested I will
inform you of the results of this experiment once I have
written the final copy Joe Fortune,
<9341892@iona.sms.ed.ac.uk>
REQUEST #2
Dear Oneironaughts, I am currently researching the use of
lucid dreams and dream GESP. If you are a frequent lucid
dreamer, ( LD @ 2/week) please get in touch...I can send you
an outline of the methodology if you are interested and
want to know more... I hope to hear from you soon. Kris
Langbridge , Department of Psychology, Edinburgh University,
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WEB SITE UPDATES
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==================== ASD Link =================
After some months of debate, exploration and study, the
Association for the Study of Dreams is now including links
to other dream websites from their webpages. Organized into
categories of dreams, sleep, related sites (dream inspired
art, Jung, miscellaneous, books/articles about dreams on the
net), commercial sites and mailing lists, its well worth
a visit at http://www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd/links.htm
======= Dream Mandalas Moved ===============
Last month we reviewed Bruce Jones dream mandala site, which
has since moved to:
http://www.discoverynet.com/~bruce4j/
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ONLINE INTERACTIVE and REALTIME EVENTS
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Paranormal Chat on the Microsoft Network " Feb 6, 13, 20 and
27 from 7-9 PM PDT. To find the Chat room, go to "Classic
MSN" (MSN now has a new format.
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Do you have an event you would like listed here? Send a
message to Rob Childress Include the Date,
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DREAM CALENDAR
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Jan 21- Feb 13 Pittsburg, CA
"Dream Catchers", an art show of paintings, prints, art
dreams, books and mixed media at the Los Medanos College Art
Gallery, 2700 East Leland Road, Pittsburg, CA. For more
info, call 510-439-2185, ext. 493.
Jan 21-Mar 25 Santa Cruz, CA
Level 1, Personal Dreamwork, the first part of the Dream
Studies Program at Twin Lakes College of the Healing Arts,
1210 Brommer Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95062. For more
information, call 476-2152.
Feb 4-Mar 11 Altamonte Springs, FLA
"The Spiritual Practice of Dreamwork", led by Jean Raffa and
Mickey Griffin, 6 Tuesday evenings at the Jung Center, 427
Whooping Loop, Suite 1881, Altamonte Springs, FL 32701. For
more information, call Mickey Griffin at 407-629-2083
Feb 5 Pittsburg, CA
Reception for "Dream Catchers" Dream Art Exhibit, 6:30-8:30
pm, at the Medanos College Art Gallery, 2700 East Leland
Road, Pittsburg, CA. Call 510) 439-2185, ext. 493 for more
information.
Feb 7-9 Chicago, IL
Conference on "Soul Loss & Recovery: Shamanic & Jungian
Perspectives" in Chicago, IL. Sponsored by SAR (The Shamanic
Applications Review). For registration information, contact
SAR at 616-683-8972 or Fax
616-683-0449.
Feb 9-21 Big Sur, CA
"Shamanism and Shamanic Healing", a two-week advanced course
taught by Michael Harner at Esalen Institute, Big Sur. For
more information, contact The Journeyman Institute at
415-255-0278.
Feb 14-21 Ashland, NC
A week-long workshop with Jeremy Taylor in Ashland, NC. For
more information, contact Annette at 704-877-4809.
Feb 15 Albany, CA
Bay Area Dreamworkers Group Meeting, at the home of Norma
DeArmon, 920 Ramona Avenue, Albany, CA, 510) 526-7539.
Feb 21-23 Gainesville, FLA
A Weekend Dream Workshop with Jeremy Taylor in Gainesville,
FL. For more information, call Diane Farris at 904-378-3500.
Feb 28 Mountain View, CA
An evening with Fred Alan Wolf, physicist and author of The
Dreaming Universe, 7:30 pm, at East-West Bookshop, 324
Castro Street, Mountain View, 415) 988-9800.
Feb 28 Concord, MA
"The Hidden Gifts of Strangers: Using Dream Images of 'The
Other' to Move Us Towards Wholeness". Presented by Nancy
Gazells, 7:30-9:30 pm at the Dreamwheel, 191 Sudbury Road,
in Concord, MA. For more info, call 508-369-2634.
Mar 3-4 Bloomington, IL
"Exploring Your Own Dreams", Heartland Community College,
instructed by Pamela Ryan, $35. Call 309) 827-0500 x 402 for
more information.
Mar 15-16 Soquel, CA
A weekend dream workshop with Christine Boyer at Land of the
Medicine Buddha in Soquel. For more information, contact
Christine at 427.9861.
Mar 15 Alameda, CA
"Foundations in Dreamwork" taught by Kathleen O'Connell, at
the California School for Professional Psychology, Alameda,
CA. Call 1-800-298-0317 for more information.
Mar 22 Berkeley, CA
Bay Area Dreamworkers Group Spring Party, 2-6 pm, at the
Unitarian Fellowship Fireside Room, 1606 Bonita, Berkeley,
CA. Call Anne Prescott, 510) 724-7730 for more information.
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Hi there! Some of this months new dreams come to us
from across the US, Australia, Norway, Puerto Rico,
Indonesia and Scotland. Dreams really do cut across
international barriers. Wherever you are, thanks for
reading, and come on join in the fun. Send us a
dream or commentary.
D R E A M S SECTION EDITORIAL BY BOB K. (For ED
V4N1)
Challenges:
FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
Subject: A Flying Fish and A Book---Thanks
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
=Commentary by Narcissus on "The Magical Little Man"
by Mark (961228)=
=Commentary on "The Magical Little Man" by MarkM
(961228)=
NEW DREAMS
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS
[Stories from past experiences, or send them in
before it happens, if you can]
* Dream: Belated Precognitive Dream? by Nutcracker
(961230)*
REPETITIVE DREAMS
[Significant by nature]
* Dream: Bug Dreams by TrishC (961231)*
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION
[Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others]
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LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial
limits]
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ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]
* Dream: BUG DREAMS by TrishC (961231)*
= Commentary on Bug Dreams by Alex (970101)=
* Dream: Untitled II by Nutcracker (961230)*
* Dream: Mystical Happenings by Nutcracker
(961206)*
AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others
paths]
* Dream: SHOT AT THE DOOR by Nancy (970110)*
= Commentary by BobK on SHOT AT THE DOOR (970126) =
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we
were]
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from
here to there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
See Jeff Bridges in: Love of A Life under ROMANCE.
See Holly Hunter (The Piano), Jerry O'Connell
(Sliders), and some girl that looks like Rosie
O'Donnell in MENaces To Society under the category
ESCAPE.
See Leonard Nimoy and Gloria Marsh in My 3 Husbands
under the category RELATIONSHIPS.
See Jimmy Carter & Roslyn in Hello Mr & Mrs
President under the category POLITICAL SCENE.
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools,
communication]
[How come we didn t have this category sooner,
seeing that we are a computer assembled and computer
distributed publication? Go figure!]
See the dream UNTITLED under ANIMALS for a
downloading theory.
From the Ed-Staff - C & V on Computer Dreams:
DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
* Dream: "EGYPTIAN ASSUMPTION" by Andrew (961230)
=Commentary on EGYPTIAN ASSUMPTION by Mark (970101)=
* Dream: THE FACES OF THE CHOIR BOYS by Magyar
(9701xx)*
=Commentary on : if 'the faces of choir boys' by
magar were my dream, by jay (further thoughts)
(9612xx)=
* Dream: "The Arid Circle" by GWCOO (970101)
=Commentary by Jay V on The Arid Circle by GWCOO=
=Commentary by Narcissus on "The Arid Circle" by
GWCOO=
=Commentary by John Hebert on The Arid Circle by
GWCOO=
DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth
and pleasure]
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button
or else...]
* Dream: The Shoes by Nutcracker (961215)*
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
* Dream: MENaces To Society by Nutcracker (961230)*
FEAR [What scares us]
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
*Dream: Flying...More and more Difficult by AL
(970124)
GIFTS [Offerings from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING
THINGS
* Dream: Pez by Nutcracker (961208)*
* Dream: Pez II by Nutcracker (961208)*
* Dream: Pez III by Nutcracker (961219)*
* Dream: Pez IV by Nutcracker (961219)*
* Dream: Pez V by Nutcracker (961222)*
* Dream: Pez VI by Nutcracker (961227)*
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
Is the Airport terminal a hospital? Check out the
dream: Shoes, in the category ELEVATORS.
* Dream: The Bear and the Bags by LM in PR (970111)*
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
* Dream: BIG HUGE HOUSE LEVELS by VickyT (961231)*
* Dream: "Crying Woman Dream" by Eugene (970120)*
= Commentary on The Crying Woman: MY UNDERSTANDING
by Eugene=
* Dream: Untitled 1/4 by Nutcracker (961203)*
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event
location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -
explorations]
* Dream: Three Part Dream by J-ones from NORWAY
(961228)*
= Commentary on: Three Part Dream from Norway by
BobC (961228)=
* Dream: Out To Sea by Nutcracker (961228)*
* Dream: A Cheap Thrill by Nutcracker (9612220)*
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
* Dream: 'Crazy' by MadGrl (970123) *
= Commentary by Emarks on: Crazy (970123) =
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors
the dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
* Dream: Pre-U2 by Nutcracker (961210)*
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes
present choices]
* Dream: THE DEAL by MarkM (961228) *
= Commentary by MarkM=
= Commentary on ANOTHER DEAL by rcwilk (961228)
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of
power]
* Dream: Hello Mr & Mrs President by Nutcracker
(961210)*
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves]
See a Dad related dream under ELEVATORS.
* Dream : My Dream question & Concern by Anonymous
(970119)*
= Commentary by Narcissus on "Dream Question &
Concern" by Anon=
* Dream: Don t Mess With Me by Nutcracker (961221)*
* Dream: My 3 Husbands by Nutcracker (961211)*
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
* Dream: A Changing Pair of Feet by LT (9701XX)*
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
[Ice Cream and Love ... does it get any better???
;)]
* Dream: Love of My Life by Nutcracker (961203)*
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learnings trials]
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of
nature]
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are
paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or
expectations]
* Dream: A FLYING FISH AND A BOOK by AmaznBeast
(961225)*
= Commentary on: A Flying Fish and A Book by BobK
(961226)=
= Reply from AmaznBeast on A Flying Fish and A Book
(961227)=
= Reply to Amazn =
* Dream: Woman/Child by Nutcracker (961222)*
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of
lifestyle]
* Dream: SOMEONE IS STEALING MY CAR by Steve
(970124)
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
See A FLYING FISH AND A BOOK for a trapped in the
workplace dream
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
== == == == == == == == == == == ==
DREAM SERIES
See Nutcracker s December 1996 PEZ six-
pack...searching for the object of our desire as the
elusive PEZ. Even Santa PEZ makes an appearance!
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
** **
D R E A M S SECTION EDITORIAL BY BOB K. (For ED
V4N1)
Challenges
While it s a lot of fun for me as a Dreams
interested person to be involved with the Dreams
section, it does entail hours of tweaking files,
reviewing email, sorting, rearranging, spell
checking and editing out message headers to ensure
anonymity for those who request it. I thought this
issue would be relatively simple, but I m finding
that since each issue is completely different in
this section, it s almost like starting over every
time and the hours keep going up instead of down. I
also find that I have little time for commentary or
dream reporting of my own. I have made a resolution
to change that situation this year.
Any way, the mechanical process starts with the
receipt of the email messages with dreams or
commentary. I get them through Richard, the ed-core,
or direct messages from readers. I review them, and
if it has not been circulated among the ed-core I
forward the body of the message. I then save the
message to file on my PC with a designation of ED
for the first two characters so I know its ED
related, the Volume & Number of the issue in the
next two spaces (ie. 41), a D (for Dream) or C (for
Commentary)in the next space, and the next three
letters either represent the title or the category &
a number. Finally, I have a designation of .DRE for
all dream related material I have on my PC. For
instance, an animal dream for this issue would be
ED41DAN1.DRE. Towards publication date, I merge all
these messages into a master file (inserting files).
Once I have all the messages in one document, I then
save the document to a draft file name such as
ED41DRA1.DRE. This is when the real fun starts. I
need to strip off all the headers with mail
identification etc. The most time consuming part
used to be stripping the hard carriage returns and
replacing the funny characters some messages arrive
with, and it still is not as automated a process as
one would think it might be. (Try rearranging a poem
after you have eliminated all the returns!).
Next, is the content part. I review the messages to
ensure they are not patently offensive or
derogatory. Hard to with dreams because as dreamers
know most anything can happen in a dream. I do minor
editing related to personal information or clear
misspellings unless the submitter does not mind -
which is when they usually would like feedback.
Originally, the dreams were roughly in order of
receipt with any comments moved around to accompany
the dream. With the classification system set up,
it is quite more involved. I must deciding on a
category which best fits the dream in the scheme we
have or create a new category. No category is all
encompassing though, and many dreams fit into
multiple categories with multiple meanings. I do the
best I can. I try to add in some pointers (and
humor) for the index to orient interested readers.
Then comes the sorting process - moving each dream
into its section, and after that is done, cutting
and pasting the titles into the index.
Last of all is my editorial comment section, where I
try to tie in some theme as an introduction to the
dream section without trying to pick any one dream
or comment as better than another. I try to thank
all the dream contributors, and specially the
commentators such as Eugene Marks, Earl Koteen, John
Hebert, Richard Wilkerson and Jay Vinton in this
issue, who share their wonderful insight with us.
Last step is to bring it into Word Perfect 6.1, and
save it. I then email it from Washington,DC across
the country to Richard in San Francisco,CA usually
at 4:30AM the last possible day (I will improve!!!).
Richard then integrates it into the rest of the
issue, implementing any final formatting and copying
the dreams index to the front pages index. So much
for the process.
This month brings us an emphasis on House dreams and
Journey dreams as well as an excursion into a Work
related dream and a slice of Americana through the
Nutcraker connection (though she s off to Arabia &
France among other locations. Throughout this issue,
the creativity of our dreaming mind stands out, as
it sorts through the events and relationships of our
daily life - past and present- to show us a snapshot
of an issue frozen in time/space. Electric Dreams is
dedicated to helping us all to make more sense of
those daily mysteries. Thanks for joining us in this
ED Volume 4, initial voyage Number 1.
Bob Krumhansl
bobkrum@erols.com
FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS
See: A Flying Fish and A Book
>Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996
>Subject: Re: A Flying Fish and A Book---Thanks
>From: AmaznBeast
>> >>I did indeed find you while researching dreams
on the web. I did sign up for Electric Dreams. The
thing is... I was cruising the web, fretting over
that dream, and when I saw the opportunity to get
help with it free of charge, I didn't investigate
the web site more carefully. However, just last
nite I again located your web site, and am excited
about getting launched from that point towards doing
some dream research. Thanks again! >> >>
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES
=Commentary by Narcissus on "The Magical Little Man"
by Mark (961228)=
The magical little man's name is Rumplestilskin
(sp?). It's also grandfather.
I was very disappointed that Geo Lucas never
realized that O-be-one Can-O-Be was Luke's
grandfather and Darth Vader's father. Of course, as
Darth's mentor, he was a father figure to him.
Grandfather, either literal or metaphoric, is the
one that Dad summoned as a child. He's a little
man because he didn't live up to Dad's expectations,
he was old and shrunken by the time I knew him, he
didn't live up to my expectations, he was already
dead by the time I was born (pick one or more that
apply).
The magical little man is all my ancestors. He
can't overcome the "criminals" because they're my
criminals to overcome. He may be able to help, but
it's my battle to fight.
Who are these criminals? What are their crimes? In
my dream, I'm the criminals. What crimes have I
performed, what crimes am I performing, for which I
have to make amends?
And where is my magic? What powers do I have to end
my torment?
I hope these questions are of use to you.
=Commentary on "The Magical Little Man" by MarkM
(961228)=
I enjoyed reading Earl Koteen's comments about my
dream about the Magical Little Man. I don't agree
that the Magical Little Man represented my father's
father, but Earl's analysis about the reference to
criminals in the dream and his questions, ''And
where is my magic? What powers do I have to end my
torment?'' were right on the mark. Thanks.
Mark
[snip]
>Who are these criminals? What are their crimes?
In my dream, >I'm the criminals. What crimes have I
performed, what crimes >am I performing, for which I
have to make amends? > >And where is my magic? What
powers do I have to end my torment? > >I hope these
questions are of use to you.
Indeed.
NEW DREAMS
PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS
[Stories from past experiences, or send them in
before it happens, if you can]
* Dream: Belated Precognitive Dream? by Nutcracker
(961230)*
(Bits & Pieces): Asleep, I dreamt I woke up the
next morning to find they had repaved a new cement
curb right outside my bedroom window. (in real life
time) I had heard a noise the next morning outside
the bedroom window in my neighbor's driveway. Later
that day, while out in the yard, I noticed that my
neighbors had done some cementing to their driveway
(though not actually on that day...it had already
cured and set). (96/12/30) #797
REPETITIVE DREAMS
[Significant by nature]
* Dream: Bug Dreams by TrishC (961231)*
Hi, I'm a recent lurker to this list. Has anyone
ever had any nightmares which involve bugs? I seem
to have recurring nightmares which always involve
insects(each different species), always inside me
trying to get out. Trish
DEFYING CLASSIFICATION
[Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others]
==========================================
LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE
BIRTH [Starts]
CHILDHOOD [Early development]
ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]
ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]
OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]
DEATH [Endings]
COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial
limits]
==========================================
==========================================
ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]
[This month brings us: Bugs, a Flying Fish that
turns into a Parrot (under TRAPPED), crumbs that
turn into baby armadillo s, and a magical cat.]
* Dream: BUG DREAMS by TrishC (961231)*
Hi, I'm a recent lurker to this list. Has anyone
ever had any nightmares which involve bugs? I seem
to have recurring nightmares which always involve
insects(each different species), always inside me
trying to get out. Trish
=Commentary on Bug Dreams by Alex (970101)=
I've had bug dreams before and I've read that
the bugs represent that something is bugging you in
real life.
Alex
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* Dream: Untitled II by Nutcracker (961230)*
All night long the ceiling fan squeaked, leading me
to dream that whatever files I was downloading
couldn't be downloaded unless this other person's
alternate universe was making the same noise. All
this amidst my neighbor's swimming pool being dug
(literally). I was with Clint Buchanan (Clint
Richie/OLTL) and we had gone to some guy's office.
We suspect the guy is corrupt. His desk was like an
oven. There was foil on the bottom to catch spills.
The foil was greasy and I removed it. Beneath the
foil was some charred debris. I wiped that off with
a damp sponge. Now it was clean except for a few
crumbs in the right hand corner. I scooped this up
with a paper towel. I missed some crumbs and
grabbed another paper towel, but now they've turned
into various sizes of baby armadillos. I yell for
Bo Buchanan (Robert Woods/OLTL) to take them outside
and set them free.
(96/12/30) #798
* Dream: Mystical Happenings by Nutcracker
(961206)*
I was out with this photographer, watching him work.
We were in the middle of nowhere. His girlfriend, a
lanky blonde with short hair, was wearing jean
shorts and a sleeveless white t-shirt. B. was there
as well as the photographer's cat. The photographer
was taking pictures of something when I noticed
behind him a shot so exciting that I felt he needed
to capture it.
"Look!" I said pointing to the small island across
the lake. He turned to see what it was I was
ranting about. The island was about 25 yards away
and had a small sand colored castle on it. There
were fir trees and deciduous trees surrounding the
front of the castle. A fog began to form. The
leaveless trees were white with frost and icicles;
the firs tipped in snow, yet it was warm where we
were. The castle had an eerie cast to it, as though
seeing it through a soft filter of a camera. It had
a mystical quality to it. The shot was too
beautiful to be missed. The photographer handed me
his camera and grabbed another. I held his camera,
resting it in the hollow of my neck.
The fog is getting heavier and the water in the
lake begins to boil. The photographer's girlfriend
gets into the boat we came in (an aluminum flat
bottom boat). She lies down on one side of it. The
photographer gets in and sits at the head of the
boat. I get in opposite his girlfriend and B. sits
at the other end. The photographer calls for his
cat. She's over on the island, by the castle. I
call her also. He tells me that I have to call her
in french. "Le chat, le chat," I call. The cat was
white and looked like a Russian Wolfhound. She came
dashing across the water as we called her in french.
(96/12/6) #751
AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others
paths]
* Dream: SHOT AT THE DOOR by Nancy (970110)*
A woman at work had a dream. A friend of hers
comes to her door and she opens it. He shoots her,
but she does not die. She wants to know what this
dream might mean. She has had it several times
recently.
= Commentary by BobK on SHOT AT THE DOOR (970126) =
Shooting dreams are scary. To be shot by a stranger
in a random violence act is bad enough, but to be
shot by a friend would indicate that there is some
level of suspicion as to the friendliness of the
supposed friend. It could also mean that the friend
is involved in trying to kill or injure a part of
the dreamers active concerns - but is not being
successful in doing so. Unless one lives in a gun
infested subculture of our modern society, the
shooting dreams would be more likely symbolic than
any kind of precognitive forewarning. The repetitive
nature of the dream would indicate to me, if it were
my dream, that some level of awareness inside of me
is concerned about my friendship with this person or
what this person represents to me in my life. On the
surface, I am being warned about continuing the
relationship. Maybe my judgement of who my friends
are needs reviewing.
BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]
BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we
were]
BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from
here to there]
CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]
See Jeff Bridges in: Love of A Life under ROMANCE.
See Holly Hunter (The Piano), Jerry O'Connell
(Sliders), and some girl that looks like Rosie
O'Donnell in MENaces To Society under the category
ESCAPE.
See Leonard Nimoy and Gloria Marsh in My 3 Husbands
under the category RELATIONSHIPS.
See Jimmy Carter & Rosslyn in Hello Mr & Mrs
President under the category POLITICAL SCENE.
COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools,
communication]
[How come we didn t have this category sooner,
seeing that we are a computer assembled and computer
distributed publication? Go figure!]
See the dream UNTITLED under ANIMALS for a
downloading theory.
From the Ed-Staff - C & V on Computer Dreams:
Hi V, At 12:26 PM 1/10/97 +1100, you wrote:
>I hope your computer is behaving better now C.
>>My husband is forever fiddling with ours, to try
out newest versions of everything that comes out,
etc.
> Yeah, I guess my downloading beta and shareware
versions of everything under the Sun and then
deleting them could have something to do with my
problems. When I switched ISP's a while back the
Win95 expert that came and set things up told me
that I should re-install Win95. He said I had some
serious Registry problems. All I can do now is keep
my fingers crossed and maybe sacrifice a chicken to
the computer gods : )
> I guess it is truly in the spirit of "electric
dreams" to dream about them.
>>I have found over the years that anything I am
learning, especially as an intensive course
(including learning how to use the internet; do
e-mail interviews, etc) tends to occur in my dreams.
I still remember waking up with most of my first
ever "Q&A Forum" preformatted in my sleep as it
were.
>>Sometimes I imagine computer games that I have
been playing too.
>I do the same thing. The day my zip drive came I
didn't get a chance to set it up (too busy playing
with Z). That night I dreamt about zip drives and
putting people and family on the 100 MB disks!
Also, I've been dinking around with HTML for a
little while and I often dream of tags and frames
and stuff.
Take Care, C
DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]
* Dream: "EGYPTIAN ASSUMPTION" by Andrew (961230)
Hi, My name is Andrew, based in Edinburgh, Scotland.
I know it sounds like a Blues song ...but 'I woke
up this mornin' ...' and in my head are the most
amazing images. There is this vast cavern and in it
a central metallic tower with rampways into a wider
facility in the tower higher up, from openings
surrounding this facility. I am walking over one of
the rampways into an archway, as I near the door it
slides open to reveal a dimly lit interior. I go in,
and there are small egyptian looking sarcophagi with
luminous green finish radiating out like thick
spokes from a central pillar. The walls look like a
computer facility. In each sarcophagi are small
thin-looking grey beings that look like something
from the Independence Day movie. I turn round and am
met by one that I believe is female - for some
reason, we embrace and I am transported onto the
floor of an even bigger cavern, where strange stone
buildings curve and tower above my head. I am lead
to a marbled throne room, and there is a dias upon
which is an empty throne and a smaller throne beside
it. I am suddenly up near the roof of another
cavern, and down below, there is an altar. Two small
grey beings enter the dark cavern via a lit doorway.
They approach the altar and look up appearing to see
me. Next I am in a very dark cavern, and the only
light appears to be coming from two luminous white
beings, very much like the grey ones. They are alone
and afraid, for beauty has died, we embrace. I wake
up feeling sad. Andrew
=Commentary on EGYPTIAN ASSUMPTION by Mark (970101)=
Hi, Andrew. I took your interesting dream to mean
that you are intimidated by women's sexuality. What
a shame that beauty dies at the end of your dream.
Was this a nightmare?
Mark
* Dream: THE FACES OF THE CHOIR BOYS by Magyar
(9701xx)*
I was with my husband, I think. I say 'think'
because he wasn't terribly present in a visual way,
but we seemed to be a couple walking in a street
together, and so I assumed he was my usual
companion. There was that sense, anyway, of our
usual companiable duo.
At some point early in the dream I/we became aware
that were not only being trailed, but that we were
anxious, afraid to confront whoever it was. We were
looking for places to avoid him.
We found ourselves in a church precincts and I
pointed to a niche between parts of the ancient
building, suggested we step into it, so that 'he'
wouldn't see us. There was a definite feeing that
our follower was a 'he', and there was a definite
feeling that he was some kind of criminal. We
stepped into the niche but it still didn't feel safe
enough, and the tension got worse as we sensed his
approach. I noticed that if we crossed a kind of
courtyard there was a small flight of steps leading
to a dark oak door. I vaguely remembered having been
there before and felt guaranteed some safety. In the
middle of the courtyard, as we were crossing it,
there lay a walking stick, a pipe, and a pair of
spectacles, and I had an impression of a bicycle
having fallen over, as if there had been an accident
and it hadn't been cleared away yet. But we were too
afraid of our follower to enquire more. I just
remember speculating about these objects and they
were especially vivid to my eye, and startling in
those surroundings, like a still life in the middle
of action.
We gained the steps, climbed up, and I pushed open
the oak door. I seemed to be the leader in all of
this dream and there were no words spoken between
myself and companion. Strangely, I 'knew' how it
wold be inside there. I recalled the sense of peace
from some former visit, and remember reassuring my
companion about this. We entered, and were startled
to see the room - ancient and musty smelling and
dark - was occupied by a choir in practice. I had
expected to find it empty, as it had been before,
and I expected to find it much lighter, from the
large leaded window I'd recalled from the former
visit. There were boys, around 13 and 14 years old,
and they were singing in unison and looked around at
us as we opened the door. They were dressed in
ordinary clothes, as in a rehearsal. There was just
enough room for us to squeeze in, next to where they
were singing, and at the same time as we did so I
signaled a 'request' that we be allowed to do so.
But as soon as we were inside they began to file
towards the door and out, still singing, very
orderly and slow, their faces turned towards us.
What struck me was how smooth and tranquil their
faces were. I remember thinking: this is what peace
is, and safety. They looked as if life had barely
touched them, and yet they appeared, too, just a
little complacent, a little uncaring, and looked at
us with curiosity.
The anxiety about our follower seemed to fade with
this safety, yet there was still a vague sense of
unease that these boys were not wholly guaranteed to
not blame us for something. It's hard to put the
feelings in the dream into words here. The visually
striking aspect of the dream was at this point - it
was the look on the choir boys' faces, seen very
much in close-up as they passed by me. When I recall
the dream now, it's this look on their faces I see
the most.
Magyar
=Commentary on : if 'the faces of choir boys' by
magar were my dream, by jay (further thoughts)
(9612xx)
in my first response I suggested the courtyard items
are related to the threatening entity. it now
occurs to me that perhaps instead, they represent a
more current life view of mine which I leave behind
me in my retreat to the choirboys outlook. in that
case they could be pointers to a more appropriate
point of view which I could adopt once I realize the
inadequacy of the choir boy outlook.
Jay
* Dream: "The Arid Circle" by GWCOO (970101)
The following is a dream I had a few nights ago. It
has been troubling me greatly, and I feel compelled
to get to the bottom of it. Here it is:
"The Arid Circle"
-----------------
I am in the backyard. Most of the yard is lush with
vegetation, including trees, shrubs, green grass,
and flowers of all descriptions.
However, there is another section of earth that
catches my eye. It is circular, about eight feet
across. Here, everything is dead, dry, arid and
brown.
Suddenly, an unknown man appears who I discern is
some kind of gardening expert. I ask him how I
should go about beautifying the circle. Before he
can reply, I say either to myself, or to him: "That
circle is obviously mandala symbolism."
He suggests I plant flowers all around the
circumference, as well as in rows leading to the
centre, as in the spokes of a bicycle wheel.
I agree with him that this is indeed a good idea.
(end)
Okay, I look forward to any assistance you can give
me with this dream.
GWCOO from AU
=Commentary by Jay V on The Arid Circle by GWCOO=
in my dream, the backyard is my inner self. the
puzzle for me is what is, why do I have, this arid
dead area inside myself? the advice appeals to me
also.
=Commentary by Narcissus on "The Arid Circle" by
GWCOO=
I'm disappointed when others only look for a single
meaning in a dream, yet I find myself drawn to a
single meaning for this one. Please consider it
the beginning rather than the end of interpretation
for this dream.
If this were my dream, I would ask myself in what
way have I not been nourishing my soul. On the
outside, I look good to all around me.
Superficially, all is green and growing.
Yet at my core, the soil seems parched and nothing
grows. In what way is my ______ (job, wife,
significant other, Higher Power, whatever I hold
most dearly in life) not being nourished, or am I
not being nourished in my relationship w/ what I
hold most dear?
Please excuse me if this is shameless projection,
but I too would find this dream very disturbing and
would want to know how I could nourish this land
gone dry. To me, the gardener is my Higher Power
because He knows how to nourish my soul.
Narcissus
=Commentary by John Hebert on The Arid Circle by
GWCOO=
Hi Glenn: If this were my dream, I would look at it
as a very straight-forward message.
>I am in the backyard. Most of the yard is lush with
vegetation, including trees, shrubs, green grass,
and flowers of all descriptions. All around me there
is beauty, lush and healthy However, there is
another section of earth that catches my eye. It is
circular, about eight feet across. Here, everything
is dead, dry, arid and brown.
This certainly strikes me as a mandala symbol of
mine, (something you yourself confirm within your
dream.
>Suddenly, an unknown man appears who I discern is
some kind of gardening expert. I ask him how I
should go about beautifying the circle.
I am looking to an outside source for guidance.
>Before he can reply, I say either to myself, or to
him: "That circle is obviously mandala symbolism."
This confirms my understanding that this really is a
mandala symbol, and if it were my dream would be a
representation of my mandala.
> >He suggests I plant flowers all around the
circumference, as well as in rows leading to the
centre, as in the spokes of a bicycle wheel.
In my dream my self knowing expert is suggesting
that I do two things: (1) surround myself with
beauty (and nourishment), and (2) bring this beauty
into the inner center of my being.
> >I agree with him that this is indeed a good idea.
My inner sense knows I should do this.
> >Okay, I look forward to any assistance you can
give me with this dream.
If this were my dream, I would tend to think that
this would be like being hit over the head with a
2x4 and delivered a message that was exceedingly
direct. I'd appreciate the dream process for its
directness in telling me that I am probably so busy
doing other things that I am not tending to my
spiritual garden. Thanks for sharing. John
John W. Herbert
Prefer: jherbert@micron.net
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DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]
EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth
and pleasure]
See ROMANCE for some Ice Cream
ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button
or else...]
* Dream: The Shoes by Nutcracker (961215)*
[Staring with a shoe search in an apartment/office,
moving to an airport terminal(not!)elevator episode,
and concluding with a George Clooney appearance -
moving around is the issue here but can ER be far
behind??]
My dad had come to visit me. I live in an apartment
that is a glass office suite. A girlfriend, Nancy,
shares the apartment with me. Her boyfriend's come
to pick her up. They're going to a school dance. I
have to go to cheerleading practice. I'm standing in
front of her boyfriend wearing a black lace leotard,
looking for my black shoes. Every floor in every
room of the apartment is covered with black shoes,
but there isn't a matched set in the lot. I
chastise Nancy for not having all her shoes together
in pairs. I can't find mine anywhere in the pile.
Now there is an Asian girl and her family in the
apartment. She's concerned about some mail she got
with an AIDS awareness label on it. She's afraid it
means they'll be deported or something. I somehow
think the mail is my dad's and try to explain the
label to her. My dad tells me someone is trying to
kill him and leaves. I put on my cheerleading
outfit (black and gold) and follow him.
He goes into a building. It's like an airport
terminal (but isn't). There are lots of people
milling about. I can
only see the back of his head as he disappears into
the crowd. I watch as he gets into an elevator. B.
is in the elevator too. The elevator is full and
there's no room for me. I scream, 'Daddy, daddy" as
the doors close. George Clooney (ER) walks by.
He's wearing a blue and black plaid jacket. I grab
him by the arm and tell him about my dad. "I have
to get on the elevator, my dad's on it.' (96/12/15)
#772
ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]
* Dream: MENaces To Society by Nutcracker (961230)*
At my/my parents house. Holly Hunter (The Piano),
Jerry O'Connell (Sliders), my parents, myself, some
girl that looks like Rosie O'Donnell (but weighs
less) and is wearing a brown velvet dress, a woman
with short brown hair wearing a skin tight dress and
smoking, and another woman who is outside. The
woman outside yells, "If you want to fuck that
black guy, go right ahead,
trying to embarrass us. I yell at the woman who is
smoking and tell her to get out, that she's a where.
My dad has to take some kind of a math test for his
job.
I leave and go down the hillside to Holly's place.
It's empty. The place is a dive. As I'm about to
leave, four men come out of the woods and say,
"There's a woman (me)," and start chasing me (to do
me harm/rape me). I run back into Holly's house and
lock the door. I then wonder how long it'll be
before anyone comes to
find me. (96/12/30) #799
FEAR [What scares us]
FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]
FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]
*Dream: Flying...More and more Difficult by AL
(970124)
I'm going to describe a dream I had a couple of
weeks ago. It was a nice dream, a bit scary but
only enough to make it exiting. I was flying, not
when you think you re falling or something like that
but really flying, like a bird. It wasn't in any
other shape, it was I and I had kite wings of some
sort. Anyways, I flew over the neighbourhood where
I lived (Sweden) when I was 6-11 years old; my
childhood meadow - forest and lake. Although I have
never seen it from above I could in the dream. It
was joyful and I was alone all the time, but
suddenly I started to have problems with the wind
and I would start to fall but I didn't hit the
ground, I landed softly. It was extremely annoying
because I wanted to fly, be in the air which was the
only place where I didn't have any worries - free
with no burdens, alone, strong and independent. The
wind didn't have as much importance as to have the
right "feeling", I had to concentrate to get that
feeling and then the wind would come to me. I can
imagine it is the same as if one tries to meditate,
to think about nothing and then one gets frustrated
trying not to think! While in the air relaxing was
no problem, everything was better and easier when I
was flying. But suddenly I would worry about falling
and then I would. This would go on and off until I
woke up, in the beginning of the dream it was
easier to fly and the longer I dreamt it became more
complicated - maybe because I was waking up and
becoming more conscious.....
GIFTS [Offerings from others]
HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING
THINGS
* Dream: Pez by Nutcracker (961208)*
I had found a Pez Reindeer dispenser. It had gold
horns, a black body and a red bridle. I also found
a Cockatoo Pez (it was two shades of blue), a
Rooster Pez and another reindeer Pez (blue also).
The guy I'm with decides to start collecting Pez
after I had come upon a cache of old and rare Pez
dispensers in an antique
mall, thinking he could buy them out from under me.
(12/8/96) #757
* Dream: Pez II by Nutcracker (961208)*
I'm in Germany. No, it's not London, Paris or
Ireland (where I'd prefer to be), but I'm back in
Europe and I'm happier than I've been in a long
time. I had been with a group of people, then
wandered off by myself. I began to look for Pez. I
was in a dirty, seedy part of town (reminds me of
Mexico). I make my way up to a different section of
town. I went into a store and saw some Santa Pez
and a Coca-Cola Pez (like a Coke bottle). I ran
into a guy from my group and asked him if he knew
what Pez was. He said no and I showed him what I
meant. There was a fourteen year old boy with him.
He told me he knew where to find Pez. I left with
him and we headed back to the part of town I had
just come from. (96/12/8)
#758
* Dream: Pez III by Nutcracker (961219)*
I'm in a store and surprisingly run into some Santa
'A' Pez dispensers. They are hanging from strings
in the ceiling. I grabbed up two of them quickly
only to discover they were actually chocolate Santas
wrapped in foil in the guise of Santa 'A' model Pez.
There was also a Pez that was three figures in one;
Snap, Crackle and Pop (Rice Krispies), which later
changed into Snap, Crackle and Marilyn Monroe.
(96/12/19) #777
* Dream: Pez IV by Nutcracker (961219)*
My friend Nancy and I are in a toy store. The place
reminds me of a movie theater lobby; tall ceiling
and lots of windows. Across the room I see a
display about some new Monkey Pez dispenser. "Oh
good," I think as I rush across the room to the
display. Now I can finally get a Monkey Pez for my
brother, Monkeyboy (a nickname). But when I get
over to the display, there are no Monkey Pez
dispensers, only stuffed monkeys wearing t-shirts
with PEZ written on them. The monkeys are life size
orangatans with long curly tails. They are hanging
in a row from the ceiling to the floor and are
orange/brown in color. In a bin beneath the monkeys
are white baseball caps with PEZ written on them in
various colors of the rainbow (PEZPEZPEZPEZPEZ).
The hats appear to be made of paper and the brims
are trimmed in fake white leather. (96/12/19) #778
* Dream: Pez V by Nutcracker (961222)*
I was at the mall shopping. I came out of one store
and noticed a new store across the way from it. It
was an all Austrian shop. Everything in it had been
made in Austria. The place was bright and colorful.
I wondered if they had any Pez?
The entrance to the store was blocked by four
displays. There was barely enough room to squeeze
by them to enter. I wasn't sure if they (the shop)
were open, but then a clerk came and asked if I
needed help. I asked if they carried any Pez.
"Pez?" she repeated. I had one in my purse, but
didn't feel like digging around in it to find it.
Another clerk joined us. "Do we carry Pez? the
first one asked the second. The second clerk was
wearing a visor, her curly blonde hair covering part
of the writing on it. I pointed to her visor.
"There, Pez," I said. But in brushing back her hair
from the writing I discovered it read PENZLE, not
PEZ. Just then a third clerk, and someone I knew,
came and grabbed me by the arm. She had long,
thick, dark hair. We walked to another section of
the store. She began rattling something off at me
in Spanish. I let her go on for a few moments when
I finally said, "You do this to me every time. Who
do you talk to me in a foreign language when you
know I'm not bilingual?" Then in English she asked
me, "Have you and your sex
slave done (whatever?) with my yet? (96/12/22)
#784
(comments by Nutcracker: Well, I guess I'll never
know about my sex slave, etc. At this precise
moment, hubby decided it was time for me to wake
up...RATS!)
* Dream: Pez VI by Nutcracker (961227)*
I was a tenant at a black boarding house. One of
the owner's daughters (in her teens) was involved in
a gang. The woman who ran the boarding house had to
leave and asked me to cook for this black man who
lived there. I was baking a sour dough pear bread
and a chocolate bundt cake with icing. While
looking for some cooking utensils, I found sitting
on the back staircase, a jar with pens, letter
openers and several Pez dispensers. There were two
Pony Pez; one was pristine, the other from 1952 and
attached to a light blue pencil with advertising.
Also in the jar, a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Pez
holding a fishing rod with something dangling off
the rod. And there were a dozen or so various other
dispensers in the jar. Two other (white) people are
with me also. The guy says I should ask the teenage
daughter if they'll sell them to me. Then they
decide that I should price them and make them an
offer. They get out my picture book and price guide
and we all sit down at the table to look them up. I
have to write the prices down on newspaper, the
cartoon section, in the blank spaces I can find. I
write,
Pony -
$60. Eva (LaRue/AMC) tells me the white (no feet)
Pony is hers. Of course it is (that figures...just
my luck). Now outside I see the teenage daughter in
a fight with some other black girls. Here I am, a
white person living in a black family's home and we
get along fine, why can't people of the same color
get along?
(96/12/27) #791
HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]
Is the Airport terminal a hospital? Check out the
dream: Shoes, in the category ELEVATORS.
* Dream: The Bear and the Bags by LM in PR (970111)*
I am on the floor resting, and I feel a bear come up
behind me, and wrap his arms around me. I feel safe.
I can feel the breath of the bear on my neck.
I suddenly realize that if the bear falls asleep, I
might be trapped. I ease my way out from its grasp.
It is then that I realize that in an adjacent room,
my husband has a plastic bag over his face. He is
choking and I desperately try to cut through it or
rip it. I m not having much success though I do
make a slit so he can breath. I need to go for
help, so I run out of the room into a hospital-like
setting. I run into a room and find a roomful of
animals in the same situation. Faces wrapped with
plastic bag material. Some are dead. There is some
kind of conspiracy. I run out into the hall to ask
for help. I am directed to a lady administrator.
Somehow I know that she is the leader in charge of
the plastic wrap project- she will never help me.
As I run to find help elsewhere, I awake.
HOUSE [Where our lives take place]
* Dream: BIG HUGE HOUSE LEVELS by VickyT (961231)*
Bob, Hey I Haven't Heard from You in Awhile. I Am
the One Who Kept Having Dreams of Tornado's. Now I
Am Having Dreams of Going Exploring in a Big Huge
House. I Am Going from Room to Room, and There Are
Endless Rooms in this House. The Rooms Are Full of
Beautiful Furniture and Things. The Rooms Are Big
and Beautiful. I Have this Feeling of Ah, When I Go
Through Them. It Is So Neat, I Just Keep Going from
Room to Room, Thinking Man, Look at All this Beauty,
and Neat Things, and All of These Rooms, and this
Big House Full of Rooms. It Is like an Adventure,
Exploring the House and Finding out it Is Full of
All These Neat Things, and Rooms, Many, Many Rooms
and the Best Part Is That it Belongs to Me. I Own
All This, but I Do Not Know How I Got it or Why, but
I Am Just Amazed. And I Keep Wondering, What Am I
Going to Do with All of this. How Could I Ever Use
All of These Rooms. In One Dream, All the Rooms Were
Exactly Alike, and this House or All the Rooms Were
in a Basement. Sometimes They Are Upstairs, or Even
on the Main Floor. When Ever I Do Have These
Dreams, All the Rooms Are on the Same Floor.
Meaning, One Nite They Were All down Stairs. The
next Time They Were All Upstairs, the next One All
on the Main Floor. Why Is That? Why Are They Always
on One Floor? Why Not Many Rooms in this Big House
on All Floors? What Do the Rooms Represent? Is it a
New Part of My Life, Exploring It? Full of Many
Options? Tell Me What You Think. I Have Such a
Wonder Feeling in These Dreams, and I Am Always
Alone, When Going Through Them. Thanks Vicky
*Dream: "Crying Woman Dream" by Eugene (970120)*
EUGENE'S DREAM
I dream that I'm walking down the neighborhood
street with two young boys in tow, one maybe six,
the other eight. Their hair is cut short for the
summer. We're on our way to dinner at Steve and
Carol's, at our old house, our last house, where
they're living now.
We arrive on time. Being here brings back a lot of
memories, especially of living without neighbors
right on the other side of almost every thin wall,
as in each and every apartment that we've lived in
these past four years. Walking into the house, I
also remember the big, productive garden we had here
and my tipi up in the back yard.
Carol has just arrived herself. She just walked in
with a woman friend. They're busy in conversation,
sort of ignoring us, so I take the boys out to the
back yard. There's no garden now, and it's seems
empty without the lodge up. I wouldn't want to live
here again, but I would like to own a house
somewhere.
When we go back inside, Carol's acting weird.
There's no dinner cooking, and Steve's not here
either. She quickly lets us know that there won't
be any dinner for us.
I ask if we've come on the right day. I know we
were all invited for dinner. I'm confused. I feel
as if I'm being blamed for something.
Carol starts to cry, breaking down. I ask her
what's wrong. She asks me to look around, "can't
you see that we don't have very many electronics?"
I look around and see that this is true, but I don't
understand why she wants me to notice this and why
she's acting as if I'm somehow responsible for the
lack.
She says she's leaving here, going to New York. Now
I wonder if they've been ripped off (the lack of
electronics) and have to move away. However, when I
ask, she just turns her back on me and begins to cry
even harder. She's becoming more and more upset and
finally even asks me to leave. I try once more. I
ask if she's still with Steve. I ask about her
boys. She doesn't answer in words, but somehow I
get the feeling that she is still with Steve and
that all the boys are all okay.
I finally give up and leave with my two young
charges, with two very confused young boys. On the
porch, I stop us and ask if they have everything
they came with. They do. As we walk north, I tell
them that I'm just as confused as they are. I tell
them that Carol was too upset to see us but that I
don't know why. I also tell them that I have a
quarter and we'll call Aspen when we find a pay
phone, maybe meet her somewhere along our way home
for burgers and fries. This perks up the hungry
boys.
=Commentary on The Crying Woman: MY UNDERSTANDING by
Eugene=
My dream is charged with feeling. Since it came to
me, and because of these feelings, I haven't wanted
to think about it. In my dream, these powerful
feelings are expressed by Carol. In the outer
world, she and Steve were our landlords, not for the
house in the dream, but for the house before that,
the one with the outdoor hot tub and the perfect
yard and garden. Carol's a good mother, a good
person. She and Steve are Quakers. They live very
simply and lovingly.
The two boys remind me of my brother and myself at
that age. More than that though, they remind me of
myself at age six and again at age eight. In
between, when I was seven, I died on an operating
table, when my heart stopped, while I was undergoing
surgery. Who I'd been as a six year old died then.
I was never the same. The eight year old I became
was very different. For one thing, he was very
scared. He had visited places that little boys
didn't visit, not and come back. Somehow, although
greatly shaken, he did manage to come back, but he
retreated from life then, becoming a recluse, always
reading his books.
The house in my dream is actually the last house
that Aspen and I lived in. Ever since then, we've
lived in apartments or been on the road, living in
our van. I know I'd rather live in a house. Aspen
would too. I also know that my dream is all about
this. I'm remembering something else now too. When
I was seven and sick and dying in the hospital, my
mom and dad had to sell their house to pay for the
doctors and the hospital. It was their last real
house for a long while.
This is really what my dream's all about. In my
dream, Carol is angry about something. Maybe I was
right in my dream when I thought that she had just
lost her house. When I was seven, my mother lost
hers. It was because of me too, although not my
fault. I'm certain it was worth it to her. But
maybe, besides being thankful that I still lived,
she was also very upset and angry over losing the
house she had lived in and owned with my dad and in
which she had hoped to raise her children and spend
the rest of her life. Although not intended for
me, perhaps her feelings still leaked out onto me,
affecting me too.
Carol isn't in my dream just to remind me of what my
mother went through when she lost her house. She's
also here to remind me that I was also there, the
six and the eight year old in me too, when my mother
went through her loss. We all felt what she felt.
Maybe we were too young to understand it, but we
still all felt it. We took it into ourselves. Her
feelings of loss are still with me, even today. For
example, they certainly explain why I've never
wanted to own a house--I didn't want to lose it. N
ow though, I can separate myself from my mother's
old feelings. They were never really mine anyway.
That seemingly weird comment about the lack of
electronics nagged at me all last night. Just
before I fell asleep, though, I put it all together.
After all, I was sleeping in the same room with it.
The only electronics here in my room are this
computer, the modem, and the printer, all quite old
and primitive except for the modem. I can't even
cruise the web now. I can put things on my web
site, but I can't browse the web and view them, not
from here. I don't have enough power. I have to go
down to the library and look at it from there.
I'm remembering a dream now, one from three years
ago, at the beginnings of all the recent changes in
my life. In it, this powerful woman, a shaman, is
giving me the key to the detective agency, to a
magical room full of all sorts of electronic
communication gear. In this room, I'll find my way
to myself as a shaman. Maybe I do need more and
better electronics. Maybe this is the key to my
getting out of jail. I could certainly use a more
powerful computer and maybe even a keyboard with a
"v" (which I n ow have to copy and paste). Perhaps
then I'd have the power and speed to wander the web
as I'm meant to.
Like Carol, I'm a house person--but I'm also a
wanderer. Up till now, I've always wandered out
onto the roads and trails, away from home. I've
always thought that I had to get out into the world
to wander. I'm beginning to see now, though, that I
can wander in a new way. I can wander anywhere I
want out onto the info highway yet still be here at
home.
This is why my inner Carol is pointing out the lack
of electronics in her house. She wants me to see
her needs too, to see that she needs the security of
a house, one that she owns. She also wants me to
see that I can wander in a new way now, on the web
at home. She also thinks that, once I'm wandering
the web, it'll be easy for me to support a house.
Then I won't always have to be taking her away from
her home just to satisfy my wanderlust. She doesn't
want to lose another home, and I can satisfy my
wanderlust right here at my keyboard. I can do this
and still be the Carol house person that I also am .
If you reread your dreams, say once a year, you'll
soon notice that they present different themes.
Over time, they'll help us to work on many different
life problems and on many different levels of
understanding. Two years ago, I had another dream
about that time of my life, when I was that young
seven year old boy, a dream in which a family asked
for my help, a man and woman and their young son. I
knew then that the family was my own family. I knew
then that my dream was asking me to become conscious
o f this long buried family complex that I'd been
carrying around ever since those early days. My
dream wanted me to be especially aware of this
complex's effect upon me and my life in the here and
now.
My more recent dream of me and the boys and of Carol
being so upset is the first to bring up this crucial
time since that family first asked me for help in my
earlier dream two years ago. This dream is the
first to touch upon this part of myself since then.
It's bringing up the next related issue to work
upon, the next understanding I need to reach in
order to continue growing. It's telling me that I
need to remain conscious of myself as that young boy
who died and then came back to life. It's also
telling me to not let my mother's old feelings over
losing her house keep me from owning one and being
the house person I am.
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* DREAM: Untitled 1/4 by Nutcracker (961203)*
(This is like four dreams in one):
1) I was on my way to the mall. As I left the
house I realized that I hadn't washed my hair for
the past three days. I went back inside and washed
it. Now in the car, I'm at the mall looking for a
parking spot. As I make a left turn around a curved
area, all of a sudden there are cars to the right of
me driving backwards. One by one they pull into
parking spots all in a row. Now the direction of
traffic has changed and I'm the one in the wrong.
Now I have to back out to extricate myself from this
mess. As I do so I find there's a garden center to
my left. It's a white corrugated metal building
with plants and yard art outside. In backing up I
slightly tap (hit) a large silver clock which is
sitting on the ground and leaning against the
building. I get out to check for damage, but there
is none. I end up in a conversation with the
(female) owner, but I don't mention hitting the
clock to her. Now I'm off to find my friend Nancy
who's at her husband's office. Jamie's secretary
tells me to go on in. I find Nancy lying on a full
size bed, knees bent, reading a book. I sit down on
the bed and tell her my tale of woe from the parking
lot at the mall. There is a connecting door to
Jamie's office that leads to his boss's office. His
boss and two others are sitting there joking and
smoking. Jamie is on the computer playing games. I
wonder to myself if he should be doing that during
business hours, but then he wins and swirls his
monitor around for me to see. I guess his boss must
not care. I ask Nancy why we're waiting. She says
it's payday. Then Jamie's boss comes in and passes
out the payroll checks. Jamie gives his to Nancy
and tells her not to spend it all in one place.
Nancy comments on how great my skin looks (since
switching facial products).
2) Nancy and I go to her house. The house is set
on a small
hill. We're outside. I'm looking at the trees in
the yard. They are badly in need of trimming. I
tell Nancy that I can bring my chain saw and my
neighbors extending ladder and trim them for her.
There is one tree that is particularly annoying.
It's got one huge dead branch jutting out to the
side, disrupting the growth of a neighboring tree.
Nancy declines my offer. She prefers the natural
look.
3) Now I'm at home. B. is packing for a trip.
I'm in one of the bedrooms. It has no furniture in
it. I'm sleeping while levitating on a surfboard
next to an open window at the far left corner of the
room. I like fresh air wafting over me as I sleep.
I get off of the board (and it's still levitating).
I wonder if I can levitate higher, to just below the
ceiling, but figure I'll just fall off and hurt
myself in my sleep.
4) Now I'm at my parents house. My mom and one
sibling are downstairs. I'm upstairs in the
bathroom brushing my teeth. Down the hall, at the
end, is a bedroom. The door is closed and I'm not
supposed to go in there (no one is). I know the
room is empty, but it scares me anyway. I finish
brushing my teeth and then rinse twice using two
different mouth washes. When I finish I rush
downstairs to safety (or where I feel safer).
(96/12/3) #744
HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event
location]
JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -
explorations]
* Dream: Three Part Dream by J-ones from NORWAY
(961228)*
Hello Bob. At the moment I am very new to dreaming
and dream-interpretation. I have a lot of special
dreams that I can't quite figure out. Here is a
dream I had one night. It has 3 parts, and I've
numbered each part.
1. I was a passenger in a car, I think it was white,
I was sitting in the back-seat. It was dark, only
black outside the windows, but I was able to see the
shape of the landscape. The road was along a
mountain: On the left side the mountain was high and
steep, and on the right side it was a very long way
down, I could not see the end and it was only dark
there. We were driving forward, and I remember I was
scared because I thought the unknown driver drove
too fast, and the road was slippery. The special
about this road was that it was very curved, and
most of the curves was to the left. And on the right
side of the road was a line of shining
blue/silver/white light. It sort of kept us from
driving off the road.
2. I came into a shop after the car-ride was over,
and I was shopping something, I can't remember what.
But I remember when I was going to pay, I had this
terrible feeling of writing out a check with no
cover. I knew that I shouldn't be writing out the
check, but I couldn't make myself stop.
3.After leaving the shop, I suddenly was in a big,
white room. There was a woman sitting there, dressed
in white clothes ( like they wear in a hospital )
and she had black hair. I remember feeling guilty
when I walked up to her. She said that she had
received a letter from my bank saying they would not
cash in any checks written by me, because I had
already used more money than I had on my account.
And she showed me letters where several people/shops
claimed that I owed them money. And then she said
that I had forgotten to deliver some keys, and I
remember taking them out of my handbag saying that I
had brought them along. I delivered to her 2 keys
hanging on a chain. I felt very guilty because I
knew that these were not my keys and I should have
delivered them long ago.
This was my dream that night. Hope you can use it,
and that someone has a comment.
Regards from Wenche
=Commentary on: Three Part Dream from Norway by BobC
(961228)=
In the first part of the dream the white car seems
to represent the dreamer's emotional space or place.
She wants to see herself as virtuous, (she is in a
cocoon of white; i.e. the car) but she cannot see
beyond the cocoon (there is darkness all around).
She is not in control (not in the driver's seat) and
she seems to be heading downhill. She could fall
very far (possibly this means loss of status) if the
car slips off the slippery road, but she feels she
has no control that possibility (i.e. she has given
another or others decision-making powers in terms of
her future).
In the second part of the dream the dreamer has "no
cover" for checks she is writing. This could mean
that the dreamer feels she will be exposed in some
way. She knows she should not continue writing out
checks that will bounce (i.e. continue behavior that
will lead to the very exposure she dreads), but she
cannot help herself in the dream, and possibly she
feels she cannot stop the behavior that the check
writing symbolizes in real life.
In the third part of the dream, the dreamer is in a
big white room with a woman dressed in white
clothes. The woman in white clothes seems to be a
figure of judgement. The dreamer is told many
people now know she has no cover. They have written
to the dreamer's bank. Then the woman in white
tells the dreamer she has forgotten to deliver two
keys. The dreamer turns them over, feeling very
guilty because these keys were not hers to keep.
This last part of the dream suggests that the
repressed conflict represented by the dream may be
sexual in nature. In Freudian perspective, keys can
be interpreted as phallic symbols. The color white
often represents purity or spirituality in dreams,
in this last section of the dream white seems to
provide the ambiance where the dreamer can
experience her guilt feelings and then repent by
turning over the keys (i.e. ending the love affairs
or ending the behavior that was symbolized by the
keys).
If the dreamer does not agree with the above
interpretation, then it is wrong. Only the dreamer
knows.
Bob C.
'What we do in dreams we also do when we are awake:
we invent and fabricate the person with whom we
associate - and immediately forget we have done so.'
FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE
* Dream: Out To Sea by Nutcracker (961228)*
I was in a foreign land, some Arab country. We were
near a sea. The town could be seen from where I was
(about a mile away). It looked illuminated and
reminded me of Coney Island. Some of the tops of
buildings had the design of lace, open and intricate
patterns. The buildings were bathed in the warm
golden glow of lights. The town looked inviting.
There was a man, his wife and their two kids
standing near me. They had bought a house in the
city I was observing from afar. The wife wanted to
take the kids to see it, but the guy wanted to
surprise them on moving day. Everything between
myself and the city was dark. The sea was raging.
There was a cement pier that extended several
hundred feet out from where I was standing on shore.
The pier was very tall and the peaks of the waves
would touch the very top of the pier. As they did
so, the peaks would appear white, as though lit up
from the inside. I asked B. which sea this was, but
he never answered. The waves were a dark, angry
green. We got onto a boat, a freighter. Despite
the rough sea, the boat maneuvered swiftly along and
the ride wasn't too rocky, though I did have visions
of us being swallowed up by the waves, but it turns
out there was no reason to fear. (96/12/28) #795
* Dream: A Cheap Thrill by Nutcracker (9612220)*
I was out with a friend. She had bought something
earlier and was carrying it in a little white bag.
We were walking along a country road. Weeks before
there had been heavy rains and a mud slide had
ensued. The aftermath was now evident in the ravine
to our left. "Let's go down there," I said to her.
The mud was all dried up now, trees and shrubs
strewn asunder. We climbed down and stood in the
center. I felt as though we were trespassing (on
the power of God or the destruction of Satan). I
turned around and stared in the direction we had
just come from, imagining how the mud must have come
at such speed down the hillside and around the
corner before me. The excitement of the danger
exhilarated me (us). The mud, now dry, looked like
hard packed sand. It was the color of peanut butter
cookies and appeared lumpy like the criss-cross
pattern you make with your fork in the cookie dough.
The lumps were hard beneath our feet.
My friend and I decided to walk up the ravine a
ways, in the direction of the flow. We had only
gone several feet when she fell into a sink hole
filled with water, but covered with sand. "Hand me
your bag," I said to her. I knew if the bag got
saturated, it would dissolve and the contents lost
forever. She tossed it to me. "I saw a board over
there - don't move." I walked back to find the
board. It was buried in the sand and I had to
struggle to remove it. I carried it over to my
friend. "Grab it." She did and pulled herself out
with ease. She was wet, yet there was no sand stuck
to her. I saw a gleam in her eyes that told me she
wanted to continue
on our little journey. (96/12/20) #780
LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]
* Dream: 'Crazy' by MadGrl (970123) *
(Takes place in real time. I exist in the dream as
I appear in real life.) I was in my car at night
looking for a WinDixie pharmacy. I knew the street
name and I'd been to this pharmacy before. The name
was two words something Logan? I knew I'd have to
make a right hand turn (the pharmacy was on a road
parallel to the one I was driving on, but I knew the
street I was looking for would head south and bend
to the west). It was so dark I couldn't see the
street signs, so I got a flashlight out of the glove
box and shined it up at the sign. It was very dark,
I was on the same road but traveling on foot. I
ran out of gas, my car was somewhere behind me, both
theoretically and physically. My bike ('the urban
assault vehicle'--an old Mongoose Alta with slick
tires and pannier frames ) was with the Cougar. I
am growing concerned because I can't find the
pharmacy or the street. On the plus side, it's
easier to see the street signs since I'm on foot.
Now I'm pushing a shopping cart, wearing Doc Martins
and a tattered dress. I'm panicky because I can't
find the pharmacy. It's day time and I'm walking
down a suburban sidewalk. The houses are lovely
little single-family two story homes. All brightly
colored with white trim. The lawns are unnaturally
bright green and the flowers scream with color.
Flowers everywhere! I notice all this but I realize
I don't belong here. I must find the pharmacy, but
people are chasing me. I'm concentrating on the
handle of the cart and one thought, find the
pharmacy. (Perhaps if I don't look up they won't
see me?) I hang on to the shopping cart and run,
run, run. I must find the pharmacy, they're closing
in on me, they'll hurt me, where's that street?
As I began to wake up, I realized that I had lost my
mind and the woman in the dream was homeless and
insane.
= Commentary by Emarks on: Crazy Woman (970123) =
The center, the essence of your dream seems to be
the pharmacy and your inability to find it. What is
the pharmacy? Why are you looking for it? Why is
it so important to you? What does it mean for you?
In your dream, you go from being in your car to
pushing a shopping cart. You also go through
changes in clothes, neighborhoods, and feelings. At
first, you don't seem overly concerned. You know
where you are and how to get to the pharmacy. Then
the darkness (the unconsciousness in yourself?)
makes it difficult for you to see where you are.
We all need light to navigate the unconscious, so
now you have a flashlight. You're also on foot, now
pushing a shopping cart and wearing doc martins and
a ragged dress. A bag lady! A homeless, crazy
woman. Now the vibes become heavier. There is a
feeling of anxiety, of being pursued, of maybe being
hurt.
I've felt like this myself. First I'd realize that
I was lost, after thinking as you did that I knew
where I was. Then I'd get scared because I was
lost, especially if it were dark. Then my fear
would hurry me and provoke pursuit. At least I'd
feel as if I were pursued, and I'd be running from
place to place then trying to leave my fear behind.
I've learned that running attracts pursuers. I've
learned that it keeps the fear chasing after me.
I've learned to accept being lost, not knowing where
I am in either the inner or the outer world. Over
time, I've come to see that I'm never really lost
anyway, just not where I'd thought I was.
I don't know what the pharmacy means to you. It
seems to be very important to you. When I think of
a pharmacy, I think of drugs, medicines,
psychedelics, healing, addictions, advice, relief,
these sorts of things. What do you think of?
Sometimes, in my own dreams, a pharmacy has had
negative connotations, usually very positive ones.
Your dream seems important to you. It looks like a
wakeup call to me. How would finding (or realizing
it's not that important and letting go of looking
for) the pharmacy (what that means for you) help you
to keep from losing your mind and waking up someday,
a bag lady pushing a cart, homeless and insane?
Eugene
LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors
the dreamer]
LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]
NUDITY [What you see is what you get]
PERFORMERS [Entertainers]
* Dream: Pre-U2 by Nutcracker (961210)*
I met these four guys. Their names were Paul, Dave,
Larry and Adam. They were punk rockers. They all
wore their hair short and dyed blonde. They were
sitting in school desks, resting their heads upon
them. They looked to be slackers, but I knew
better. (96/12/10) #765
PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes
present choices]
* Dream: THE DEAL by MarkM (961228) *
I dreamt that a man came to see me. Some of my
family members were with me. The man seemed
friendly, but he was actually a sinister, evil man.
I could feel his malevolence crouched beneath his
smiling face.
He said he had a deal for me: I would draw a
self-portrait, and in return he would make me a very
rich man.
The deal had a catch, though: I would never be able
to hold any beliefs ever again.
[end dream]
---------------------
[begin my comments :MarkM]
We're all on this list because we're interested in
dreams, so forgive me if I'm about to state the
obvious. It's been many years since I've read much
about dreams, but I do recall that there are
supposedly two types of nightmares: full-fledged,
cat's-sitting-on-your-face-and-you-can't-breathe
type of nightmares; and anxiety nightmares. Anxiety
nightmares are the kind when you wake up and feel
horrible about the dream and can't get the idea out
of your mind that this horrible thing you just
dreamt -- about the death of a loved one, for
example -- didn't really happen.
The Deal was not a full-fledged anxiety nightmare --
but it left me with a very uneasy feeling when I
awakened. I wanted to be rich, but I was mortified
by the idea that I would never be able to hold
beliefs. I awakened before I made a decision about
the deal.
Notice the unreality of The Deal: How could anyone
possibly control my thoughts to the point of
preventing me from holding beliefs?
One of the most memorable dreams I ever had was when
I dreamt that I stabbed my father in the head. The
funny thing is, I don't remember feeling much
anxiety during that dream or when I awakened. It was
just sort of a job that had to be done, and I did
it. The fact that none of you know anything about me
may prompt more interesting commentary than if you
did know me.
One other little tidbit about dreams: Australian
Aborigines call life in the human form, on Earth, as
''the dreamtime.'' I once saw a documentary about
the vanishing aboriginal way of life titled
''Twilight of the Dreamtime.'' What a beautiful way
of looking at life, and how sad that the dreamtime
is coming to an end.
Which brings to mind what some American aborigines
thought about dreaming: Dreaming is the true
reality, and waking is false.
I hope everybody on the list has a Happy New Year
and a great 1997. And reflect on this: If none of us
have ever met in waking life, perhaps we have met or
will meet one day in the dream world.
Mark
= Commentary on THE DEAL by rcwilk (961228)
>I dreamt that a man came to see me. Some of my
family members were with me. The man seemed
friendly, but he was actually a sinister, evil man.
I could feel his malevolence crouched beneath his
smiling face.
>He said he had a deal for me: I would draw a
self-portrait, and in return he would make me a very
rich man.
>The deal had a catch, though: I would never be able
to hold any beliefs ever again. [end dream]
> >The Deal was not a full-fledged anxiety
nightmare -- but it left me with a >very uneasy
feeling when I awakened. I wanted to be rich, but I
was >moritified by the idea that I would never be
able to hold beliefs. I >awakened before I made a
decision about the deal. >
Thanks for the interesting dream - reminded me
that there are some nightmares I want to share this
year..
What struck me was how this was a cool variation
on the Midas Myth & Faust cycle, where the man
basically exchanges being able to every really touch
anything (which we do via beliefs) for wealth and
power.
>Notice the unreality of The Deal: How could
anyone possibly control my >thoughts to the point of
preventing me from holding beliefs?
Not so for me. This is what I call the corruption
of experience. Once experienced, fantasy is forever
altered. Also, many forms of knowledge undermine
belief. However, what I feel turns everything around
in the end is that all new forms of anything are
themselves fictions, new forms of belief. Even the
epoche, the bracketing out of personal belief, is
itself a kind of fantasy. Anyway, it brings a lot of
stuff up for me around the "Tearing of the Veil".
>Which brings to mind what some American
aborigines thought about dreaming: >Dreaming is the
true reality, and waking is false.
I like Hillman's point that dreams really show us
that we are *in* images, rather than *having*
images. When we wake up we forget this. Still, I
prefer to say that reality is *another* image, a
fiction so to speak, rather than to say it is false.
I guess I wouldn't do so well in the Bush. :(
-Richard
POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of
power]
* Dream: Hello Mr & Mrs President by Nutcracker
(961210)*
Myself and a guy I work with are standing on a
street corner. Former President Jimmy Carter drives
up in an electric car with an electric dolly
strapped to the side. Jimmy leaves and now here
comes Roslyn with the electric car. She runs up on
the curb as she tries to park it. Now a girl I work
with and I are talking to Roslyn. Roslyn tells me
she used to live next door to me. I don't remember
this, but she asks me if I recall a dead tree in my
front yard. I do. I ask her about Amy and inquire
as to whether or not she got married yet. She has
and they live in Nebraska, she says. The woman I'm
with is trying to set up a steel table with holes in
it (like an erector set). The table is one flat
piece that has folding legs. She's having a problem
with one of the legs and I go and help her. She's
got some steel canisters to set on the table. I
pick them up and set them on the table for her.
Then I say to her, "OK, now cook us something great
to eat." She informs me that they are for medical
purposes (instruments), not for cooking. (96/12/10)
#762
RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves]
See a Dad related dream under ELEVATORS.
*Dream : My Dream question & Concern by Anonymous
(970119)*
Hello, & thank you for being available... I wanted
to write someone ASAP, as I just had this dream late
this morning; if you could give me any thing at all
on it or it's meaning it would be helpful, I still
remember the way it felt, so clear: I dreampt that
someone I care for very much in life (and he knows
it... I'm not sure if he feels the same way, but
he's very sweet to me) called me on the phone said
to me "I know it may have seemed I didn't feel the
same way all this time, you know like you do me?
Well, I just finally wanted to tell you *I do*",
then proceeded in a soft but stern voice >when my
divorce would be final. (I'm divorced, unfortunately
still living with him but friends) I told this
gentleman, "When I can locate my final papers"
(Which are missing) He began to speak again, when
all of a sudden, my ex-husband was on the line,
screaming at me, "God*da**it, bi*ch, I'm going to
make sure you'll NEVER see him again!" And I soon
woke up, saying "No!" in my dream. (My ex works with
him, (!) >& I had only spent 3 times with him at his
work functions in the past 1 >« years... I haven't
seen him for a year but we communicate online.) Any
help with the idea of this, please respond when
possible! (Private please!)
=Commentary by Narcissus on "Dream Question &
Concern" by Anon=
I'm not sure what the question is. I've counseled
many divorcing people on their dreams. The
"threatening ex" is almost a universal symbol. Even
if we're "divorced, but friends," it's likely that
my ex still holds some feelings about me, including
some animosity. It's also likely that I hold some
anger for him. The dream gives me the opportunity
to project that anger on to an image of him.
Regarding the man I'm attract to, it's not uncommon
to feel as if I'm "cheating" on my ex when I'm
attracted to another man, even tho I'm divorced.
The bonds of attraction/connection w/ my ex may not
be entirely broken.
If this were my dream, it would be an opportunity to
face the fear and anger still existing in my
relationship w/ my ex. I would also find the dream
is telling me that I just might want to risk
exploring further whether the other man is
interested in me. Maybe my fear has been holding me
back. On the other hand, I might just want to limit
myself to finding a closer connection to the loving
masculine w/in me.
I hope these thoughts are of use to you.
* Dream: Don t Mess With Me by Nutcracker (961221)*
I'm with a friend at a mutual friend's (Beverly
D'Angelo/actress) apartment. The woman has three
boys and an abusive husband. We're there to try and
convince her to leave. Her husband had at one time
assaulted me, trying to strangle me, thinking I was
his wife. She's made up her mind to do it, but the
question is, when? I put my hand on her arm as a
show of support and sympathy. She had just come
from the grocery store and was putting the food
away. She had three whole chickens and two cut up
chickens plus several other large meat packages. I
hoped she was stocking up to take this with her when
she left. Whenever it is she decides to leave, in a
matter of minutes we can rally a group of women to
help move her. Just then her husband comes home.
Again, in one of his psychotic states, he comes
after me. He puts his hand to my throat and leans
me backwards, over the countertop. All I could feel
was the pain I had in my lower back. It felt as
though my back were breaking. I called out his
name. "Harry, it's me." He finally focused and
realized that I wasn't his wife. The kids are in
another room.
His wife is now in the bathroom. I go after her,
locking the door behind me. Her husband comes after
us, breaking the door down, tearing after his wife.
With his back to me, I pick up a fireplace poker and
whack him twice over the back of the head.
He falls to floor, stunned, but not dead.
(96/12/21) #782
* Dream: My 3 Husbands by Nutcracker (961211)*
I was at a gathering. The men were going off to
engage someone/group/faction in an altercation. My
husband, Leonard Nimoy, grabbed me and bent me over
backwards, french kissing me. His way of claiming
ownership of me (warning others to keep away from
me). I was totally repulsed. I hated the spectacle
he created and didn't want to see him return. Now
I'm with husband number two.
I don't remember much about him except that he was
kind and gentle. He had red hair and was Irish. He
too went off, never to be heard from again. I then
married husband number three. I don't know why. He
was a tall, husky man in his fifty's. He had
longish sand colored hair. He wasn't particularly
attractive. He had thrown a party (a wedding
party?). Gloria Marsh (AMC) was the last guest to
leave. I told her that I had made a mistake and
that I wanted to leave with her. My husband took
her on a tour of the house, something I myself
hadn't had. I didn't even know where the bedroom
was. Not that that was a problem. Personally, I'd
rather not know. I stood there silent like a piece
of statuary. They came back into the living room
from their tour. The house was modern/contemporary.
The walls and doors were painted turquoise. My
husband went into the kitchen and came back with
dessert served on a silver tray. "I forgot to serve
the compote," he said. (96/12/11) #767
RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]
*Dream: A Changing Pair of Feet by LT (9701XX)*
I LT (Female, age 40), am associated with a
meditation group, the address of which appears here
below. I had a dream last night, which I would like
to submit for interpretation. I hope that you can
help me out :
- I saw a pair of feet (without shoes), looked
dirty, as if have been on the mud. The skin too
looked very rough. - Later, this pair of feet
changed into - a pair of another feet, which I
perceived, as if belonging to Anand Krishna (the
Founder of this Meditation Centre - Anand Aashram) -
age 40 - Male.
Kindly e-mail me immediately - I will be deeply
grateful to you. Thanking you, with best wishes - I
pray that the Existence amply reward you for your
help extended in this matter.
LT >-->E-mail ashram@indosoft.net.id
>Hmpge. http://www.indosoft.net.id/personal/anand/
PS : If your org is not in position to interpret the
dream, would you be kind enough to e-mail me
addresses of other sites, which could help me out.
Thank you so very much.
ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
[Ice Cream and Love ... does it get any better???
;)]
* Dream: Love of My Life by Nutcracker (961203)*
I was in an ice cream shoppe. I was sitting in a
chair (while in line it appears). My legs were
crossed at the knees and I was jiggling my foot
(nervous energy). I was wearing my off white jeans
and admiring how slim I looked in them. There was a
guy in a suit standing directly behind me, staring
at the top of my head, or so I felt. Suddenly, the
guy in the suit (Jeff Bridges) comes rushing around
in front of me, gets down on one knee and kisses me.
The kiss is wet and cold, like we'd both been eating
ice cream already. Then he picks me up in his arms
and carries me off saying, "I've been waiting my
whole life to find you." (96/12/3) #745
SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learnings trials]
SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]
TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of
nature]
TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are
paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or
expectations]
* Dream: A FLYING FISH AND A BOOK by AmaznBeast
(961225)
I hope you can help with interpretations for this
dream. It has really bothered me the last couple of
days.
In my dream of Dec. 23, I was at work, but my
office building also housed a high school, in which
I was also enrolled (I am 30 yrs old!) I was
working really hard, or trying to appear that I
was... for some reason it was more like being in a
prison camp than really at work, apparently I lived
there and I couldn't leave.
Then this fish was flying around my desk (yes
flying) and I kept trying to shoo it away but it
wouldn't go. I looked up and realized it was Bosco,
an old Siamese Fighting Fish that I had that passed
away this year. (He was really full of personality
for a fish, and I have truly missed him.) He was
talking to me, saying to hurry and follow him, and
suddenly he wasn't a fish anymore, but a bright red
and yellow parrot. I was trying to cautiously
follow him, but wanted it to look really casual so
the guards wouldn't notice I was leaving my work
area. For some reason, I had cut off all my hair to
a crew cut and was trying to pass myself off as a
young man. I knew that if anyone looked at me too
close my disguise would not work.
So I am following this bird down the hall into the
school part of the building when I am stopped by
this woman from work that I am technical support
for, but don't really know personally. I knew that
she was pretty sure I was not male, but I also knew
that she wasn't 100% sure. She was questioning me a
lot about why I wasn't dating this pretty girl from
the office who liked me. I knew she was taunting
me, trying to trip me up into letting her know I was
not a male . And she was getting in my face looking
at me too closely. I was really nervous. While she
was talking, she kept pointing her finger at a fish
tank standing in the hall, and every time she did, a
fish would pop and disappear just like an air
bubble. I couldn't see Bosco in the hall, and I was
afraid he might be hiding in that tank. There were
lots of baby fish in there, and I couldn't believe
how cruel she was being.
Finally I got away and followed the bird up to an
attic type place in an old run down part of the
school section. It was full of dirt and rocks like
an archeology dig, full of tunnels that were half
collapsed, and the bird told me to go and get "the
book". I crawled and dug around until I found a
book that reminded me of a Bible, but it wasn't, and
it was written in some kind of runic or glyphic
writing I couldn't read. I hid it under my shirt
and ran out of the building.
I was planning to escape by crossing this football
field and jumping the fence, but when I was halfway
across the field, the coach of the football team
stopped me and said I had to try out for the team.
I was again afraid of being found out, so I played
along, not wanting to bring attention to myself. I
was doing really terrible throwing the ball,
(throwing like a girl) but could catch it alright.
I also was really embarrassed because I couldn't run
fast, and I started to cry because they were making
me play in my penny loafers and slacks, when the
rest of the team was all suited up. I felt that I
could make the team if they would play fair. (Why
I suddenly wanted to join the team is a mystery to
me) The boys all kept saying I was a fag and started
punching me on my breasts. It really hurt
physically, and emotionally too, like for a minute I
was really a boy being called fag and not a woman
disguised as a boy. They were trying to pull my
pants off and I thought they were going to try to
rape me regardless of whether they figured out I was
not a male.
Then I realized I needed to get the book to the
radio station so I could read it on the air and
everybody would know what was in it and it could
never be unsaid. That seemed really important, like
some kind of big lie had been perpetuated by the
government and I could end it all by reading this
book on the radio. I knew the prison/work/schools
would all be closed down as a result. In the dream
I never made it to the radio station because I woke
up in tears from the taunts and punching of the boys
on the football team.
=Commentary on: A Flying Fish and A Book by BobK
(961226)=
Dear AmaznBeast:
Thanks for sharing your "A Flying Fish and A Book"
dream with me. I was very touched by the dream and
can see how it could be disturbing. It has many
elements of powerful dreams ranging from the
extraordinary appearances and transformations ("the
book," Bosco and the Parrot conversion) to an impact
of emotional nature (punches and taunts leading to
tears in the dream and waking reality).
I can offer some thoughts, but please realize that
you are the only judge of what this dream means to
you. My comments are based on what I see in the
dream, and what I would feel if the dream were mine.
So take them with a grain of salt and think about
them, but reach your own conclusions.
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The location of dreams is often a key to their
meaning. From this perspective, the location in
this dream is my office building which happens to be
a High School and which happens to feel like a
prison camp in which I am trapped and can't leave.
The rest of the dream flows from this context.
If this were my dream, it would be talking to me
about my job - my career. In my dream, I feel
trapped in my job. It is like a high school in that
the nature of the job involves learning and applying
new knowledge, but this job isn't where I would like
to be permanently. In fact, this job is turning into
a prison of sorts from which I feel that I can't get
out.
The people I support, as represented by woman that I
provide technical support for, are not only
confining me but zapping away at the fish in the
fishtank which might represent ideas and solutions
made available to them. They aren't even letting
them develop here before eradicating them. I'm
specially concerned by the status of one of my "pet"
projects. (Could there be some "beta" testing going
on there? BOSCO="BETA")
There is also an issue here of being "one of the
boys" in order to (a) get out of the complex, and
(b) become a full fledged team member on "fair"
terms and "suited-up" like the rest of the men. The
disguise is only partially helpful as it gets me out
of the building, but not out of the complex.
Why "football" conveniently in the path of escape?
The football game is won by scoring
"goals/touchdowns." It involves overcoming physical
challenges aimed at obstructing the offensive teams
push toward the goal line. Why I suddenly want to
join the team is because I want to be one of the
"guys" and achieve the goals everyone is expecting,
and which are very hard to do alone. My attempt to
cross the field toward the fence is a goal different
from that of these guys. Even as a "boy" though,
I'm getting mistreated by these team members. Seems
like I can't "win" no matter what I do.
The "book" seems to be a dream solution to the
problem. I can do away with the prison, work and
school by revealing the truth about the "big lie."
But wait a second... even though I miraculously
found this "book" with the help of the magical
flying fish-parrot Bosco in an abandoned attic
(unattended Mental or Spiritual area) section of the
school, I don't even know how to read it or
interpret it! Sounds like my solution is another
impossible mission doomed to failure. I can't even
get to the Radio Station to broadcast the news to
the world anyway because of the physical and mental
abuse. Am I upset!
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I have often thought of the jobs I have had over the
years as prisons of sorts. When we are in High
School and even College, the possibilities of the
REAL WORLD seem endless. We could end up doing
anything anywhere. Once we enter the work force
however, the possibilities narrow down tremendously
for most. It's sure a "big lie" in that we are
taught that we can do anything and be anything with
education, and hard work. But the truth is that
timing, location and luck have a lot to do with our
careers also. It's bad enough in this job market
for people with lots of experience, even worst for
newcomers to the job market or immigrants, and
always more difficult for women, specially at higher
levels if we are to believe the statistics. Once we
enter into obligations it's harder and harder to
just pick up and quit because we need the income to
pay the bills. Marriage and children bring on even
greater obligations of their own. Magically finding
an ideal mate and living happily ever after in
effortless never ending suburban bliss is another
myth we think exists "out there" for others to
enjoy.
Wouldn't it be great if there was a "truth that
could set us free" like (1) this is all a "play" and
meaningless in the grand scheme of things or (2) It
doesn't matter what you do or how you do it, in the
end we'll all wind up in the same place. What
motivation would there be for work or school? When
we physically die, there is no need for work or
school - somewhat like the stages of infancy and
advanced age where we are taken care of by others.
While we are in between stages though, if we want to
be independent, we must play the game the way it is
set up. In practical terms, the knowledge of a
higher spiritual reality helps to ground many into
doing their best while facing he daily grind.
Perhaps the "book" from that unattended mental or
spiritual area will help me to overcome the
obstacles I find in my path. I might have to focus
some attention on "runic or glyphic writing"
(psychic, metaphysical or spiritual knowledge)
before I can do anything with it though. I might
even consider writing my own "book" of truths to
help myself and others. I have a very powerful ally
in Bosco the Flying Fish who will never die within
me, and the colorful flying parrot he can become.
Unconfined by the limits of his fishbowl or
fishtank, the universe is now his domain. I need to
think about getting out of this fishtank I find
myself in before I am totally zapped out.
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This dream does not necessarily mean I would have to
quit my job or stop being a woman in order to
succeed in the path I have taken. It certainly
points out the two as areas meriting deeper
examination. If my job is "killing" me, I need to
consider alternatives. I can change my job. I can t
change the fact that I am a woman in the dream. You
shouldn't see it as a disadvantage or hindrance as
the dream perceives the role. I could become the
woman who receives the technical support and do a
much better job at evaluating options and growth
opportunities. I could go some other place where
being a woman is a great asset rather than a
perceived weakness. Government, Private Industry,
Retail and Non-profit organizations are making an
effort to seek qualified women to show they are
being given an equal opportunity. Maybe a task in
decoding the truth of "the book" is to work on
improving my relationship with men, specially those
in a work environment. I'm sure it's a lot easier
said than done specially coming from a man, but
think about it.
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Best Wishes for a Prosperous and Joyous New Year
1997!
Bob K.
= Reply from AmaznBeast on A Flying Fish and A Book
(961227)=
Subject: Re: A Flying Fish and A Book---Thanks for
Your Analysis
Thank you so much for your analysis. You hit
home so much I actually got goose bumps and choked
up. I do indeed loath my job, and for the exact
reasons you described. I am also struggling with a
real desire to spend my life in the pursuit of a
higher spiritual evolution, instead of working for
"the man". But it is hard for the spirit to do
anything but wither behind the glass of an office
building.
I am indeed in the process of Beta testing a
project which was my idea, but which someone else
got the credit for. I am reduced to a secondary cog
in the wheel that I invented.
I am very interested in dreams, as I have been a
vivid dreamer since early childhood. I have several
a night and can remember them easily most of the
time. I keep a dream journal. Also, my friends
tell me I really help them understand their dreams.
But I seem to hit a block when faced with the task
of untangling on what I call a "big dream" for
myself. I can tell when they are really important,
because I feel almost conscious while dreaming, and
often awaken with a deep emotional feeling.
I would like to learn techniques for dream working
for myself and others as well. What
resources/training should I look into? Again,
thank you from the bottom of my heart for your help.
Your insights touched a nerve. The dream wasn't
telling me anything I don't already know, but things
I don't 'look at' because it is painful. If my mind
were only so creative during waking hours, I could
be a best selling author! Have a happy and safe New
Year!
=Reply to Amazn:
Thanks for sharing your dream and your reaction. I
can sympathize very much with part of your dilemma,
as I wish I could dedicate myself full time to
"Dreamwork" but find that the level of income I need
at this stage of my life (I'm 50) requires me to go
through the motions in a stable career. At least you
are in a field of dynamic change and ever growing
opportunities which may open a new path for you
soon.
One thing I have also learned is that working with
our own dreams is often the most difficult dream
related task. Sharing in Dream Groups led me to the
significant insight that our dreams speak to more
than just ourselves and often have different
messages on several levels. The insight from others
on this journey of earthly life often fills gaps we
don't realize exist or bring into sharper focus
those issues we know do exist but remain unresolved.
An early "waking dream" of mine was to write a book
of significance - which later in my life switched
from a fictional adventure to a book on dreams and
spiritual growth. I also have been fascinated by my
dreams since early childhood. Well, I'm still toying
with the idea. That's how I got involved with
computers and on-line communications back in 1983 -
but they took on a life of their own. I have
committed myself to participate in the developing
Internet Dreams projects. I am currently a
volunteer co-editor of Electric Dreams, a freely
distributed e-Zane so my writing dream with dream
related content is happening, but in a very
different way than I anticipated. The internet and
internet publishing /distribution didn't even exist
when I was in college. Have you seen an issue? It is
full of resources and ideas for people interested in
dreams. We just released our December issue
yesterday. All previous issue are available from our
web site currently maintained in Australia of all
places. I thought that Electric Dreams was how you
got hold of my email address, but from your question
on resources/training I'm not sure. How did you
find me anyway?
I would suggest that you consider participating in a
dream wheel round-robin (check Electric Dreams for
information on the next one). It is an email dream
group which focuses on two or three dreams for a two
week to three week period. It's very powerful, very
rewarding, inexpensive, and builds a "community"
sense regardless of whose dream is selected for
"work" by the group.
Seems like you are already well on the dream
awareness path. Being able to identify the more
"important" dreams is a great accomplishment.
Take care.
Bob K.
* Dream: Woman/Child by Nutcracker (961222)*
I'm at the liquor store. I've got a dolly with
several cases of beer already on it. I'm now
looking to buy a variety of different kinds of beer
in six packs. I put three more six packs on top of
the cases of beer. Honey beer? No, that's the
wrong kind. I put it back and pick out something
else. I then go to the checkout. I see cigarettes
and decide to buy some for B. and Nancy. I pay for
everything with a $10,000 check. The owner and I
discuss the kind of change he'll have to give me.
Another customer comes in. He's tall, has dark hair
and is extremely good looking. He picks up a
newspaper, but then can't decide whether or not to
buy it. He's going to rob us. When this becomes
apparent, the owner pulls me behind him to protect
me. The robber holds out his hand for me to come
with him. I tell the owner that I'll be all right
and go to his side. The danger and the robber
intrigue me. The robber lines up the rest of the
customers by calling out their names. He separates
us into two groups. One group he lets leave via the
front door.
Now the robber is standing outside the back door,
watching for cops. I tell the rest of the customers
that we should all just leave out the front while
he's not looking and we do. As we leave, those of
us now left have turned into children, about four
years of age. Jane Z. is the fastest runner of all.
"Go Jane go," we chant as we try to keep up with
her. My sister is last. She's an overweight child
and is walking, not running. She's wearing a blue
dress with a white print of some sort on it. The
robber comes out and sees that we've all escaped and
starts chasing after us. I sense he will leave my
sister alone (not do her any harm) and come after
the rest of us instead. (96/12/22) #783
VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of
lifestyle]
* Dream: SOMEONE IS STEALING MY CAR by Steve
(970124)
In my dream, I went to a snow-pilled parking-lot to
get my car. As I walked towards my car, I saw a guy
(who went to the same high school with me but I
barely know him) who was trying to open my car door
and get into it. I immediately knew that he was
trying to steal my car. He ran away as soon as he
saw me. I chased after him but he was running too
fast that I couldn't catch him. As I return to my
car and got inside, I found that the interior was
too pack that I felt very uncomfortable. And the
driving wheel was pressing against my chest. So I
turned the driving wheel anti-clockwise to re-adjust
the position and make it comfortable for me.
End of dream
WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]
See A FLYING FISH AND A BOOK for a trapped in the
workplace dream
WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]
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DREAM SERIES
See Nutcracker s December 1996 PEZ six-
pack...searching for the object of our desire as the
elusive PEZ. Even Santa PEZ makes an appearance!
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THIS MONTH'S FEATURES:
NEWS
- Dream Catchers - Dream Art Show
- Certificate in Dreamwork
- Personal and Practical Approaches to Your
Dreams
- Dream Incubation Retreat
- Volunteers Sought for Computer Room at ASD
Conference
- Call for Entries ASD Art Exhibition
- Dream Art Quarterly Meetings in SF Bay Area
- Novato Center for Dreams Closing
- New French Revue About Dreaming
LATE BREAKING NEWS ITEMS
- ASD Links - how to get one
- Roberta Ossana articles online
- Dreamwork from the Adler School of Professional Psychology
- Sufi Dreamwork with Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
- National Dream Group Leader Training
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Strange, Weird or Crazy Dreams
- Dream Photography Project
- Online Dream Interpretation Interns Needed
- Dream Education Project
WEB SITE UPDATES
- ASD Links
- Dream Mandalas has moved
ONLINE EVENTS
- PowWow Get-togethers
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DREAM CALENDAR
- February - March 1997
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========Dream Catchers - Dream Art Show =======
The works of Marsha Connell, Betsy Davids, Donna
Fenstermaker, Pamela Johnson, Dorothy Rossi and Diane Rusnak
are featured in this new exhibit of paintings, prints, books
and mixed media based on dreams at the Los Medanos College
Art Gallery from 21 Jan through 13 Feb. The gallery is
located at 2700 East Leland Road in Pittsburgh, California
(northeast of Walnut Creek in the east San Francisco Bay),
and is open Tue/Wed/Thur from 12:30 - 2:30 pm and from
6:30-8:30 pm. The opening reception will be held Wednesday,
5 Feb, from 6:30-8:30 pm. For more information, call the
gallery at 510-439-2185, ext 493 or 494.
====== Certificate in Dreamwork ==============
For those interested in dreams and therapy, the California
School of Professional Psychology offers programming to
provide the helping professional with new techniques and
perspectives in the management of his/her client-base.
Alameda, California Campus, 1005 Atlantic Ave.800-298-0317
In this new certificate, the participants learn about the
use of dreamwork in psychotherapeutic practice. Why
dreamwork? Several reasons - first, few therapists receive
formal training in working with dreams; second, skills in
this area enhance assessment, diagnosis and treatment-
related skills already possessed by practicing clinicians.
In a clinical context where much work has already been
accomplished at an accelerated rate, the dream as an
assessment tool can provide a snapshot of the emotional soul
and even physical health rounding out the clinical
interview. Future courses will explore higher level topics
such as the use of dreamwork with couples, groups, and the
community-at-large; the role of trance in dreamwork; medical
dreamwork; and special topics in the area of dream and self
research.
Foundations in Dreamwork. March 15th
In diagnosis, dreams can provide supporting information. In
the area of treatment, the dreams is a powerful template
that arises from within and offers insight and guidance in a
powerful, non- judgmental way. An exploration of the various
types of approaches to dreamwork is followed by the
conversation of the class into a dream group so that they
can experience the power and depth of the dream in their own
lives.
Dreamwork Case Studies April 18th
The workshop provides hand-on experience in working with
dreams from differing perspectives. The group acts as
feedback/support structure so participants can present cases
they are working on and utilize the dream group for
consultation.
Kathleen O' Connell, PhD., Instructor
CSPP CE, 1000 S. Fremont Ave, Alhambra, CA 91803-1360 Call
1-800-298-0317
============ Personal and Practical Approaches to Your
Dreams
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A conference jointly sponsored by the Association for
Research and Enlightenment; the Association for the Study of
Dreams and the C.G. Jung Society of Tidewater will be held
in Virginia Beach, VA, April 24-27, 1997. This conference
is a chance for a meeting of professionals and lay people
who are actively engaged in dream exploration. The emphasis
will be on useful methods of working with dreams- methods
found in the spiritual psychologies of Edgar Cayce, Carl
Jung, and other pioneers of inner life exploration. Morning
and evening presentations feature several leading
practitioners and authors of innovative dream methods,
including Robert Bosnak, Carol D. Warner, Rita Dwyer, Stase
Michaels, Raye Mathis, Kevin Todeschi and David Gordon.
Registration Fees: Members of ARE, ASD or CG Jung Society:
$150.00 Non Members: $180.00. For more information, contact
the ASD, PO Box 1600, Vienna, VA 22183.
Phone: (703)-242-0062 Fax:(703)-242-8888
=========== Dream Incubation Retreat =========
Dream Incubation is an ancient technique which uses dreams
to solve problems and answer questions in our everyday
lives. As a participant, you will bring a life problem or
choice to the retreat and then immerse yourself in the
incubation process. We will use a variety of learning
techniques - group work, meditation, art-play, lecture etc.
to refine and focus on your question. Then you will "sleep
on it" and bring your dreams back to the group the next
morning. Cost for the retreat is $160, which includes
lodging and organic vegetarian meals. A $50 non-refundable
deposit is due by February 20. Land of the Medicine Buddha
is a 55 acre retreat center in the redwoods south of Santa
Cruz. Along with meeting rooms, dining facilities, and
overnight accommodations, walking trails and meditation
areas are available for guests. Christine Boyer does
dreamwork with groups and individuals in the Santa Cruz
area, and is a regular guest host on "Dreams, Another Way of
Knowing" , a weekly radio show on KAZU 90.3 in Californias
Monterey Bay. To enroll or to receive additional
information, contact Christine Boyer at
(cboyer@wpo.borland.com) or phone(408)427-9861.
================== Volunteers Sought for Computer Room at
ASD Conference
===============
The Host Planning Committee for the 14th annual conference
of the Association for the Study of Dreams (this year in
beautiful Asheville NC June 17-21) is looking for a few
computer savvy people to help set up and monitor a computer
room for the conference. This volunteer work could reduce
your conference fees. Please contact Earl Koteen (AKA
Narcissus) at koteen@erols.com if you're interested.
======Call for Entries ASD Art Exhibition ======
Call for Entries Dream Art Exhibition in conjunction with
the Association for the Study of Dreams Conference XIV at
Warren Wilson College in Asheville, NC. All artist are
eligible to submit up to 10 slides of dream-related work.
Deadline is March 1, 1997. If you would like an entry form
sent to you, e-mail your address to: Joanne12@aol.com.
========= Novato Center for Dreams Closing =====
The Novato Center fro Dreams ceased operation on 1 January
1997. NCD has been serving the Bay Area Dream Community for
10 years. Jill Gregory, the founder, will continue putting
her energy into the Dream Library and Archives, which shares
the same space.
========New French Revue about Dreaming =======
"Dreaming" is a new French magazine dealing with dreams and
lucid dreams from a new and interdisciplinary perspective.
It does not represent any school or interest group; it is a
forum for exchange for all those who are passionate about
dreams. The site is at
http://www.mnet.fr/freecyb/REVER/index.html
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LATE BREAKING NEWS ADDENDUM
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===== ASD Linkage information ===========
As mentioned in our Web update, ASD Site now has links -
So how do you get your links on the ASD site?
For over a year the issue of how to decide when and where to
link has been tossed back and forth without results. Thanks
to Jayne Gackenbach's continual efforts in this area and the
genereous donations of annotated suggestions by the Electric
Dreams community, ASD WEB has now joined the cyber community
of netizens and includes links to dream related sites. To
add your links to this page, they must first be reviewed by
the Electronic Committee, headed by Jayne Gackenback. You
can contact here at the ASD web site.
www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd
=========== Osanna Wisdom Online ============
Every two weeks new articles are added by Roberta Ossana,
the editor of the DreamNetwork Journal.
Here are some of the titles of the available articles:
Exploring The DreamTime Mystery, "How To Better Recall
Your Dreams",
"Recurring Dreams: What Are They Saying", "Nightmare... A
Blessing in Disguise!",
"Incubating Dreams for Guidance and Problem Solving",
"Developing Dreamsharing Relationships and/or Dream
Groups","The Many Types of Dreams & Purposes for Which
Dreams Come to Us.",- "Ethics to Employ in Dreamsharing,
Dreamworkand Dreamplay",
and "Dreams and Deja Vu"
www.hmtp.com/new/gather/dreama.html
=========== Dreamwork and Expresive Arts Therapy
===========
This class is taught at Adler School of Professional
Psychology in Chicgo, Illinois
by Judy Sutherland and Renee' Dobkin Dushman twice a year.
They integrate Art
Therapy and Psychodrama exploring dreams.
They have submitted a proposal for ASD in N.C.and plan to
be there in June.
This is the 3rd year they are teaching this course and they
report that it has been well
received by students studying for an M.A. or Psy.D.
Contact: Renee' Dobkin Dushman
=========== Sufi Dream Workshop ===============
Sufism, Dreamwork and the Journey Home will be presented at
the Insititue of healing Arts and Sciences at UCSF, The
Universtity of California at San Francisco Medical Center
Complex. Tuesday, January 28, 6:00-9:00 $20.00
The workshop is being conducted by Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee a
long time Naqshbandi Sufi follower. He is the author of a
number of books on Sufism, dreamwork and the spiritual path,
including _The Paradoxes of Love (1996) and Sufism: the
Transformation of the Heart (1995).
For more info call 415-663-8773
==== National Dream Group Leader Training ==========
The Haden Insititute begins its Dream Course kicked-off
weekend for a two year (four semester) certified course;
history, symbolism, methods, Jungian psychology, individual
and group work. $50 reg. plus $550 for eachof four
semesters. Call the Haden Insititute for more
information704-333-6058
or fax 704-333-6051
1819 Lyndhusrt Ave, Charlotte, NC, USA 28203-5103
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RESEARCH and REQUESTS
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Dream Education Project
Are you an educator who does workshops, group dream work, or
classroom presentations around the topic of dreams? As a
thesis project, I am collecting educational activities /
lesson plans in order to compile an interdisciplinary
resource book for educators and dream workers. If you
submit material for the resource book and it is accepted,
you will receive a copy of the entire completed work.
(Expected date of completion: August or September, 1997.)
You will receive full credit for your contribution, and
will have an opportunity to review and approve its form.
Ideal activities are ones that are interesting and
interactive, while also conveying important information.
Examples:
-Taking students on a surreal "dream walk" to teach about
differences between dreaming consciousness and waking
consciousness. (Contributed by Dr. Russell Gruber, Eastern
Illinois University.)
-Having participants stand in different areas of the room,
to represent their different opinions on the purpose and
meaning of dreams, and then comparing their positions to
those of famous theorists.
-Developing a David-Letterman-esque "Top Ten List" of the
group's most common dream themes.
If you have material (or ideas) to contribute, please
contact me via e-mail as soon as possible. Pamela Ryan,
pryan@prairienet.org or pryan@ppeci.org.
======== Strange, Weird or Crazy Dreams ========
I am currently obtaining dreams for a book I'm going to
publish, which will be a collect of strange, weird or crazy
dreams that people have had. If you'd like to submit your
dream, write it out exactly as you wish it to appear. The
dreams will not be edited in any way, and can be as short or
as long as you like. Once the book is put together, we will
also be doing some illustrations for some of them. You may
have your name included, or remain anonymous, and you may
send more than one dream. Contact Tibet, tibet@cenornet.com
========= Dream Photography Project ===========
Become a part of a new creative concept -- photographer
Robert Specter would like to photograph "real people's" own
dreams, depicting the elements that enlighten, confuse,
invigorate, frighten and/or cause them to question their
lives and perhaps combine the photographs with small
quotes, revelations and insights that people have as a
result of their dream/photographed visions. Contact Robert
Specter at specter@sirius.com
=================== Online Dream Interpretation Interns
Needed ================================
DreamLink (http://www.iag.net/~hutchib/.dream/) is accepting
interns for the jan-march time frame. If you are a students
interested in learning and doing dream translations, contact
Linton Hutchinson at: hutchib@iag.net or (407) 644-0856
========== LUCID DREAM RESEARCH REQUESTS =======
REQUEST #1
Hi, I am currently studying in my final year of Psychology
at Edinburgh University and I am investigating the
phenomenon of Lucid dreaming for my thesis. I am examining
the aspects of control that can occur during this experience
and I need subjects to fill out my questionnaire. Lucid
dreams are dreams in which the dreamer becomes aware that he
is dreaming and has subsequent control over the dream.If you
have had such an experience I would be very grateful if you
could fill out the completed form. If you know anybody else
that has experienced lucid dreams ask to email me for a
copy of the questionnaire. If you are interested I will
inform you of the results of this experiment once I have
written the final copy Joe Fortune,
<9341892@iona.sms.ed.ac.uk>
REQUEST #2
Dear Oneironaughts, I am currently researching the use of
lucid dreams and dream GESP. If you are a frequent lucid
dreamer, ( LD @ 2/week) please get in touch...I can send you
an outline of the methodology if you are interested and
want to know more... I hope to hear from you soon. Kris
Langbridge , Department of Psychology, Edinburgh University,